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Looks like I have to keep my eyes peeled during next years sale ninja.gif
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It was the Amazon Prime sale. Black Friday had it too. That's the best time to buy SSD/HDD.

I love Amazon prime so much lol.  It's where I get all my stuff.  And that 2 free day shipping is the best.    There video streaming is also pretty nice, I just don't like their video layout, wish it was more like Netflix's lay out. 

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I love Amazon prime so much lol.  It's where I get all my stuff.  And that 2 free day shipping is the best.    There video streaming is also pretty nice, I just don't like their video layout, wish it was more like Netflix's lay out. 

I had 6 months student free sub. It was a good idea that I stopped because I was wasting too much money buying stuff I do not really need.
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I had 6 months student free sub. It was a good idea that I stopped because I was wasting too much money buying stuff I do not really need.

Haha, 8).  Ya its pretty nice, click click click and stuffs at ur door 2 days later.  hahahaha. 

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I don't see ssds taking over platter drives in any sector. Even when the costs of today become a third of what they are SSDs will still be more than twice as expensive as a platter drive.

For normal desktop users it would still be hard to argue that going all in on SSDs is worth it. For businesses that do rely on sotring lareg amounts of media to be streamed HDDs still have their place. Anyone using storage to run a financial institution will be squeezing every penny and will thus use HDDs. Anyone that has to deal with data that needs to protected from various forms of attacks will still want HDDs as back ups because they aren't as vulnerable to power surge issues like SSDs. The HDD market will shrink but there are some areas it will still be seen as essential.
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I don't see ssds taking over platter drives in any sector. Even when the costs of today become a third of what they are SSDs will still be more than twice as expensive as a platter drive.

For normal desktop users it would still be hard to argue that going all in on SSDs is worth it. For businesses that do rely on sotring lareg amounts of media to be streamed HDDs still have their place. Anyone using storage to run a financial institution will be squeezing every penny and will thus use HDDs. Anyone that has to deal with data that needs to protected from various forms of attacks will still want HDDs as back ups because they aren't as vulnerable to power surge issues like SSDs. The HDD market will shrink but there are some areas it will still be seen as essential.

Legacy users and enthusiasts will still be using HDDs for a long time to come. However, it will be phased out of the consumer market very soon.

The cost will cross over and the consumer market isn't buying volume where 1 - 2 cents difference effects the user. Look how much the costs have already come down. The $/GB will continue to lower and speeds will continue to rise. Not to mention how much less power SSDs use compared to HDDs. Great for mobile, the only sector in the PC market that is progressing.


Off topic but look how far HDDs have come

crazy


Edited by Slaughtahouse - 10/5/16 at 6:41am
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Find me replacement for 20 TB of data.

https://www.amazon.com/M-DISC-Blu-ray-Permanent-Archival-Backup/dp/B00KGWV6MI
20*2^40 /25000000000 = 880 discs.
880*70 / 15 = 4106 $.

That's practically free...

(edit there was a bit cheaper 25 pack so it's "only" 2244 $)



On the other hand
https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-SpinPoint-5400rpm-2-5-Inch-HN-M101MBB/dp/B0053YLTBC
20*2^40 / some constant = 23
23*53 = 1219 $.

I think we need laws that removes all profit from all devices for long term archival. Remember civilization depends on it. (and my anime backups.)
Edited by Raghar - 10/5/16 at 7:42am
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While the idea that an SSD will lose data in days if unplugged is a farce, they will still eventually lose data (especially if old), and far more quickly than HDDs.

Even a lightly used SSD, filled with archived data, will be mostly empty/corrupt if left in a box for ten years.

I can reasonably expect a mechanical HDD that has been stored in a moderately controlled environment to work and retain all of it's data if plugged in after 20 years (and I do have 20+ year old HDDs and other magnetic media) of sitting on a desk. The limiting factor is the integrity (rate of lubrication loss and corrosion mostly) of the spindle motor and a head actuators, the platters themselves will hold data for centuries, if not longer.
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While the idea that an SSD will lose data in days if unplugged is a farce, they will still eventually lose data (especially if old), and far more quickly than HDDs.

Even a lightly used SSD, filled with archived data, will be mostly empty/corrupt if left in a box for ten years.

I can reasonably expect a mechanical HDD that has been stored in a moderately controlled environment to work and retain all of it's data if plugged in after 20 years (and I do have 20+ year old HDDs and other magnetic media) of sitting on a desk. The limiting factor is the integrity (rate of lubrication loss and corrosion mostly) of the spindle motor and a head actuators, the platters themselves will hold data for centuries, if not longer.

While HDD platters will hold data almost indefinitely, you hit the head on the nail when you pointed out that motors, head actuators, etc. will not. For long term static storage (no power applied), tape is still king but HDDs aren't far behind. Only some physical media, such as paper and stone tablets, have the potential to last longer. The chances are most media will be obsolete before it can lose data.

In my case (and, I suspect, most other people here), none of my data is truly static. All of it is (or soon will be) stored right on my computer and my multiple backup drives get powered up at least once every month (usually more often). I'm planning on going all SSD in the not too distant future and I'm not the least bit worried about my data going south since every drive, active and backup, will get powered up once a month which is far more frequent than required to prevent SSD from losing data due to decaying charge
     
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hahahahahahahah

A very common problem with new drives.People expect them to show up in windows when they first plug them in.They don't realize they have to be initialized first in disk management.

When drives are used for storage it just doesn't make sense to use a ssd.Sata will live on for a long time to come I think.

The switch to pci-e ssd's is great but as was said we need more lanes available on motherboards.
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