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" 52 out of a total of 60 SMs are enabled with the remainder 8 SMs lasered off."

Why not just laser off the price of the Titan XP? Why spend time to laser off 8 SMs and make a New Similar product? Why can't they do customers a favor for once and give customers a bang for your buck high end gpu? How much do I need to invest on NVidia's stock to get enough return to buy their high end gpu?

It's called artificial performance. If they just priced Titan XP similar to GTX980 Ti then topping it off next generation for same price would be harder. Also during the months that Titan XP sells many cores fail so they are just using them for 1080 Ti.
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" 52 out of a total of 60 SMs are enabled with the remainder 8 SMs lasered off."

Why not just laser off the price of the Titan XP? Why spend time to laser off 8 SMs and make a New Similar product? Why can't they do customers a favor for once and give customers a bang for your buck high end gpu? How much do I need to invest on NVidia's stock to get enough return to buy their high end gpu?

Because they have a lot of chips with <= 8 SMs that are defective and thus can't be Titan XP chips.
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" 52 out of a total of 60 SMs are enabled with the remainder 8 SMs lasered off."

Why not just laser off the price of the Titan XP? Why spend time to laser off 8 SMs and make a New Similar product? Why can't they do customers a favor for once and give customers a bang for your buck high end gpu? How much do I need to invest on NVidia's stock to get enough return to buy their high end gpu?

I feel ya bro but it's a monopoly. They can do whatever they like.

This stuff wouldn't fly in a competitive market. Almost every other PC component has competition (cases, hard drives, SSDs, monitors, motherboards, memory), but there's nothing in the CPU and GPU market, especially GPU.

$1200 for a cut-down Titan XP? Cut down flagships like the GTX 570 used to cost $329, now it's almost 4x as much. Midrange GX104's used to cost $199/$229, then it became $500 (GTX 680), $550 (GTX 980), and now $700 (GTX 1080). Crummy reference coolers now cost $100 more for no apparent reason.

The only thing that can save us is competition. AMD, where are you?
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I feel ya bro but it's a monopoly. They can do whatever they like.

This stuff wouldn't fly in a competitive market. Almost every other PC component has competition (cases, hard drives, SSDs, monitors, motherboards, memory), but there's nothing in the CPU and GPU market, especially GPU.

$1200 for a cut-down Titan XP? Cut down flagships like the GTX 570 used to cost $329, now it's almost 4x as much. Midrange GX104's used to cost $199/$229, then it became $500 (GTX 680), $550 (GTX 980), and now $700 (GTX 1080). Crummy reference coolers now cost $100 more for no apparent reason.

The only thing that can save us is competition. AMD, where are you?

In general price have gone up because of 14nm but yeah since 28nm Nvidia prices have gone out of control.
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I remember 5-6+ years ago drooling at the site of a $600-$650 GTX 480 Hydro Copper FTW while the air cooled 480s started at $500. I ended up grabbing two GTX 480 SCs as I probably shed some lbs by sweating so much and had a loss of hearing. wink.gif Those GPUs came to a total of $1100 while if I were to do the same today, I could only afford one GPU with that kind of funds. Crazy to see the price where it is now. I understand inflation and all but these prices I feel are because of not much competition. If people started voting with their wallets, I'm sure Nvidia would finally feel it needs to take drastic measures but than again, who would we go to for buying GPUs? Either way, you're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't. Know I mean?
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" 52 out of a total of 60 SMs are enabled with the remainder 8 SMs lasered off."

Why not just laser off the price of the Titan XP? Why spend time to laser off 8 SMs and make a New Similar product? Why can't they do customers a favor for once and give customers a bang for your buck high end gpu? How much do I need to invest on NVidia's stock to get enough return to buy their high end gpu?
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I remember 5-6+ years ago drooling at the site of a $600-$650 GTX 480 Hydro Copper FTW while the air cooled 480s started at $500. I ended up grabbing two GTX 480 SCs as I probably shed some lbs by sweating so much and had a loss of hearing. wink.gif Those GPUs came to a total of $1100 while if I were to do the same today, I could only afford one GPU with that kind of funds. Crazy to see the price where it is now. I understand inflation and all but these prices I feel are because of not much competition. If people started voting with their wallets, I'm sure Nvidia would finally feel it needs to take drastic measures but than again, who would we go to for buying GPUs? Either way, you're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't. Know I mean?

Can you imagine if people actually voted with their wallet? Everyone buys things or does things because they can, then when they get shafted by companies involved they forget to remember they are part of the problem. Look at video games, some people pre-order to get a cool in-game bonus item or simply because they can. When the lack of developer support comes about they are raging mad. If a million people pre-order and 100,000 of those end up posting negative feedback across the internet, how much of an impact does it really make. Is the developer going to release a few more rinse & repeat titles knowing there is a large amount of people still willing to pre-order or will they do it until they release a quality title that allows the same people to forget all those trash games they pre-ordered.

People will come with whatever justification they need to support their purchase or feelings. It's their money so who are we to question them right? rolleyes.gif The business side of things has no feelings, so regardless how many forums has someone bashing a company, game, hardware, or anything it simply won't matter until people actually start taking action ( voting with wallet ) instead of paying to complain.
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I've been reading through this thread this morning. I have a couple of comments to make. So rather than pull out individual posts to quote, I'll just plonk my views in here.

Nvidia Pricing.

These calls for people to not buy Nvidia's high end graphics cards are futile. I get the logic, but the fact of the matter is that there are enough people out there that will dip their hands into their pocket to buy them, even if reluctantly. It's all a bit Canute-against-the-tide.

The fact of the matter is Nvidia have successfully pitched the prices of their products at what they think people will pay. And people have so bought in their droves; even the stupendously expensive Titan XP.

The ONLY way we will see prices come under control is if another competitor starts operating in the same performance space. People are pinning their hopes on AMD to do this with Vega. I hope they do, but don't be surprised if they fall a little short.

I'd like to think that Nvidia would drop the price for the 1080 a little ($650) and then put the 1080 Ti at ,say, $750. But don't be surprised if they price the 1080 Ti all the way up at $900. That's near Titan XP performance for $300 less; it's quite conceivable that Nvidia might do this. They could have left themselves that nice big price gap (between 1080 and Titan X) on purpose.

Memory

I'm not sure that the rumour about GDDR5 memory a short while back has anything in it. It struck me at the time that it looked either like a typo, or somebody's contrived idea to introduce a differentiator between the Ti and the Titan XP.

Aren't the memory controllers for Pascal GPU's on chip? If so, can they just substitute one memory type for another just like that? Or is GDDR5X close enough to GDDR5 to be a direct swap? Those are genuine questions, because I don't know the answer.

You have to bear in mind where the GP102 chips for the proposed 1080 Ti are coming from. They are not being specially made, they are binned chips from the Quadro P6000/Tesla P40/Titan X line. Chips that didn't test as having quite as many viable SM's as those used for the Titan X. So they are not going to feature any architectural changes from those fuller fat chips such as a different memory controller unless such functionality can be altered post-fabrication (e.g. via micro-code).

But this newer rumour does say GDDR5X again which is a little more in line with hope if not expectations. So this whole question might be moot.
Edited by meson1 - 10/3/16 at 2:08am
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I've been reading through this thread this morning. I have a couple of comments to make. So rather than pull out individual posts to quote, I'll just plonk my views in here.

Nvidia Pricing.

These calls for people to not buy Nvidia's high end graphics cards are futile. I get the logic, but the fact of the matter is that there are enough people out there that will dip their hands into their pocket to buy them, even if reluctantly. It's all a bit Canute-against-the-tide.

The fact of the matter is Nvidia have successfully pitched the prices of their products at what they think people will pay. And people have so bought in their droves; even the stupendously expensive Titan XP.

The ONLY way we will see prices come under control is if another competitor starts operating in the same performance space. People are pinning their hopes on AMD to do this with Vega. I hope they do, but don't be surprised if they fall a little short.

I'd like to think that Nvidia would drop the price for the 1080 a little ($650) and then put the 1080 Ti at ,say, $750. But don't be surprised if they price the 1080 Ti all the way up at $900. That's near Titan XP performance for $300 less; it's quite conceivable that Nvidia might do this. They could have left themselves that nice big price gap (between 1080 and Titan X) on purpose.

Memory

I'm not sure that the rumour about GDDR5 memory a short while back has anything in it. It struck me at the time that it looked either like a typo, or somebody's contrived idea to introduce a differentiator between the Ti and the Titan XP.

Aren't the memory controllers for Pascal GPU's on chip? If so, can they just substitute one memory type for another just like that? Or is GDDR5X close enough to GDDR5 to be a direct swap? Those are genuine questions, because I don't know the answer.

You have to bear in mind where the GP102 chips for the proposed 1080 Ti are coming from. They are not being specially made, they are binned chips from the Quadro P6000/Tesla P40/Titan X line. Chips that didn't test as having quite as many viable SM's as those used for the Titan X. So they are not going to feature any architectural changes from those fuller fat chips such as a different memory controller unless such functionality can be altered post-fabrication (e.g. via micro-code).

But this newer rumour does say GDDR5X again which is a little more in line with hope if not expectations. So this whole question might be moot.

People are buying the 1080 and TitanXP because it's finally a good option for 1440p and 4K for the highest graphically demanding games, nvidia is the only real option right now so they can charge what they want.

The other alternative is some xfire combo of the fiji line
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People are buying the 1080 and TitanXP because it's finally a good option for 1440p and 4K for the highest graphically demanding games, nvidia is the only real option right now so they can charge what they want.

The other alternative is some xfire combo of the fiji line

Yes. 4K is what I'm wanting one for. I have assembled almost all my bits for a new Broadwell-E rig. I am missing a GPU and fittings for the custom loop. I'm considering going for the Titan XP anyway in spite of this 'news' about the Ti, just so I can get on with it. I'm not sure I can wait another four months plus however long it will take to get Ti waterblocks, even though I might save 300 GBP.
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I hope the rumors are true, and that it is priced no more than $850. I need a new gpu for 1440p/144 hz and a lot of vram. My 980 ti does not cut it and I had to send the original one in for a RMAed version.
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