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That's still barely an upgrade at least in games where there's scaling. A Titan XP is a good upgrade from a single Hawaii GPU. 150% faster OC vs OC.

Its an upgrade even if CFX scales 100% because a lot of games at 4K will use more than 4GB vRAM. Even at same fps is upgrade.
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I mean to upgrade from 2 x 290X we need Titan XP performance for ~ $550 price.

Near Titan XP performance is needed, but it's still an upgrade regardless of price.

I'm not expecting any contemporary GPU to give me the same sort of value I got out of my 200-250 dollar Tri-Xes...that was a once in a decade fluke.
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That's still barely an upgrade at least in games where there's scaling. A Titan XP is a good upgrade from a single Hawaii GPU. 150% faster OC vs OC.

Hawaii doesn't OC for crap, unless you put them under water, or have loose definition of stability (and most people that only use their GPU's to game do).

Best OC I consider stable out of the four Hawaii's I've had was 1100 core 1500 memory and the two I've got in CFX now have to be run at stock to not force me to use 100% fan speed on the cards and case fans. Power has also been an issue; even with the GPU's at stock speed (and slightly undervolted) I can get my primary signature system, tower only, to pull ~1200w from the wall. I've already had to swap out a Seasonic 860 Platinum for a 1000w Corsair (it was on sale) to make CFX viable and I'm not going to drop more money on a 1200w+ PSU so I can get another 5-10% more performance out of my two year old GPU setup while listening to a wind tunnel.

Also, VRAM capacity is the biggest limiting factor in the game I play the most of currently.
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Its an upgrade even if CFX scales 100% because a lot of games at 4K will use more than 4GB vRAM. Even at same fps is upgrade.

Elite: Dangerous Horizons will use more than 4GiB at 1080p, if you tweak the texture resolutions.
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I mean to upgrade from 2 x 290X we need Titan XP performance for ~ $550 price.

depends on game really, crossfire/sli just are worse for your gaming experience overall and a single 1080 would be along with vega a good upgrade.
the price will continue be high and I dont expect that to change with vega either.
The great option would be a Vega with performance along the 1080 but price will be that to.

great is that gpu finally is getting 4k gaming down to the masses
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depends on game really, crossfire/sli just are worse for your gaming experience overall and a single 1080 would be along with vega a good upgrade.
the price will continue be high and I dont expect that to change with vega either.
The great option would be a Vega with performance along the 1080 but price will be that to.

great is that gpu finally is getting 4k gaming down to the masses

Yeah I consider GTX1070+ really a upgrade but not at current prices. Probably just wait another gen to get 1170 or something like that.
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Hawaii doesn't OC for crap, unless you put them under water, or have loose definition of stability (and most people that only use their GPU's to game do).

Best OC I consider stable out of the four Hawaii's I've had was 1100 core 1500 memory and the two I've got in CFX now have to be run at stock to not force me to use 100% fan speed on the cards and case fans. Power has also been an issue; even with the GPU's at stock speed (and slightly undervolted) I can get my primary signature system, tower only, to pull ~1200w from the wall. I've already had to swap out a Seasonic 860 Platinum for a 1000w Corsair (it was on sale) to make CFX viable and I'm not going to drop more money on a 1200w+ PSU so I can get another 5-10% more performance out of my two year old GPU setup while listening to a wind tunnel.
Hawaii overclocks perfectly fine. WIth extra voltage and a 290 Double Dissipation, I observed an 18.6% speedup in Time Spy vs stock (947/1250)[1] counting only graphics tests of course, and the noise was perfectly tolerable to me. Furthermore, this setup ran comfortably on a 750W PSU, drawing about 500-600W from the wall, overvolted.

I don't have any experience with crossfire, but 1200W undervolted? I have a lot of trouble believing that. According to Techpowerup, the 295X2 never exceeds 500W[2], additionally, [H] tested 2 290X Black Editions in crossfire[3], and the power draw didn't exceed 750W for the whole system. (GPU only), so unless you have a 6GHz Piledriver in there, where is that extra ~500W coming from?

I actually own a Titan XP and the speedup I described is accurate, actually a little lower.
R9 290 100mV, 1130/1525 (Click to show)

Titan XP power limit: 120%, 172/585 offset, avg boost: ~1950 (Click to show)


Average speedup: 2.35x

[1] http://www.overclock.net/content/type/61/id/2828738/ (graphics score: 3530 vs 4189, seen above, - 18.6% speedup)
[2] https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/R9_295_X2/22.html
[3] http://www.hardocp.com/article/2015/06/29/xfx_r9_290x_black_oc_edition_crossfire_video_card_review/10#.V_Q8GvArKiM
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Hawaii overclocks perfectly fine. WIth extra voltage and a 290 Double Dissipation, I observed an 18.6% speedup in Time Spy vs stock (947/1250)[1] counting only graphics tests of course, and the noise was perfectly tolerable to me. Furthermore, this setup ran comfortably on a 750W PSU, drawing about 500-600W from the wall, overvolted.

I don't have any experience with crossfire, but 1200W undervolted? I have a lot of trouble believing that. According to Techpowerup, the 295X2 never exceeds 500W[2], additionally, [H] tested 2 290X Black Editions in crossfire[3], and the power draw didn't exceed 750W for the whole system. (GPU only), so unless you have a 6GHz Piledriver in there, where is that extra ~500W coming from?

I actually own a Titan XP and the speedup I described is accurate, actually a little lower.
R9 290 100mV, 1130/1525 (Click to show)

Titan XP power limit: 120%, 172/585 offset, avg boost: ~1950 (Click to show)


Average speedup: 2.35x

[1] http://www.overclock.net/content/type/61/id/2828738/ (graphics score: 3530 vs 4189, seen above, - 18.6% speedup)
[2] https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/R9_295_X2/22.html
[3] http://www.hardocp.com/article/2015/06/29/xfx_r9_290x_black_oc_edition_crossfire_video_card_review/10#.V_Q8GvArKiM

My best score was like 9K with 290X + 290. That was no 24/7 clock speed. For 24/7 it was ~ 8.2K. If games where like 3DMark the world would be a easy place for dual gpus.
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Hawaii overclocks perfectly fine.

Not on air.

Keeping the VRM cool on air during worst case loads is extremely difficult. The reference cooler actually cools the VRM pretty well, but it can't handle the GPU's heat production without sounding like a hair dryer. Non-reference and after market coolers, like what's on the Sapphire Tri-X NEs that I've got cool the GPU much better, but the VRM cooling isn't any better and rapidly becomes the limiting factor.

Crossfire dramatically exacerbates cooling issues as well. Even in a well ventilated case, the top card is going to be much warmer than if it were a single card system. My top GPU is the same temperature with a -6mV offset and stock 1020/1350 clocks as it is as a single card at 1100/1500 with +93mV.
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Time Spy

Yeah, I could get a 20% OC and a 20% performance increase in Time Spy if being able to pass a few runs of Time Spy without blatant artifacts was my standard for stability. However, it's not.
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I don't have any experience with crossfire, but 1200W undervolted?

Full screen FurMark with Prime95 28.9 running in the background is about 1200w.

Gaming is 700-800w depending on title, and if I'm recording or streaming I can see ~900w at the wall while playing.
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I have a lot of trouble believing that. According to Techpowerup, the 295X2 never exceeds 500W[2], additionally, [H] tested 2 290X Black Editions in crossfire[3], and the power draw didn't exceed 750W for the whole system.

They were probably basic gaming loads with the power limiter intact. A 295X2 tends to use less power than two 290Xes regardless (better binning, lower clocks, lower voltages, better cooling, as well as being on a single PCB).
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so unless you have a 6GHz Piledriver in there, where is that extra ~500W coming from?

The additional current drawn by more demanding loads, a much more power hungry CPU than what you get on the mainstream platform, and probably considerably higher ambient temperatures.

Together my 290Xes will draw about 700-750w in OCCT or Furmark. Folding or BOINC can get into the 600w range. Gaming is usually a bit less. My 5820k will use ~220w in Prime95 or ~150w while transcoding. Board, RAM, HDDs, and fans account for the remainder. PSU is about 88% efficient at 100% load, so if I see 1200w at the wall, the PSU is delivering 1056w.
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Average speedup: 2.35x

I'd consider 2x all-round speed up vs. a completely stock reference 290X, no multi-GPU issues, and triple the VRAM to be a pretty compelling upgrade. I'd probably be willing to spend somewhere in the $750 dollar ballpark for it.
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Ya mine can OC 1300 with over 1.4v lol, but it will only run synthetic stuff, i try those speeds in gaming i crash.  But i knew a bunch of peeps who did the mining crazy and searched through like 50-70 different cards to find best OC. 

 

Gaming they are usly only 1200mhz if the game needs the extra fps, other then that just 1000mhz is fine.   But like blamless said, they don't OC worth a damn with out water cooling. 

 

Down fall is SOOO MUCH heat is put into my office.   Like most others are saying,  i want 1 card like a 1080 TI that's performance is better and have lower temps over all. 

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Not on air.

Keeping the VRM cool on air during worst case loads is extremely difficult. The reference cooler actually cools the VRM pretty well, but it can't handle the GPU's heat production without sounding like a hair dryer. Non-reference and after market coolers, like what's on the Sapphire Tri-X NEs that I've got cool the GPU much better, but the VRM cooling isn't any better and rapidly becomes the limiting factor.

Crossfire dramatically exacerbates cooling issues as well. Even in a well ventilated case, the top card is going to be much warmer than if it were a single card system. My top GPU is the same temperature with a -6mV offset and stock 1020/1350 clocks as it is as a single card at 1100/1500 with +93mV.
Yeah, I could get a 20% OC and a 20% performance increase in Time Spy if being able to pass a few runs of Time Spy without blatant artifacts was my standard for stability. However, it's not.
Full screen FurMark with Prime95 28.9 running in the background is about 1200w.

Gaming is 700-800w depending on title, and if I'm recording or streaming I can see ~900w at the wall while playing.
They were probably basic gaming loads with the power limiter intact. A 295X2 tends to use less power than two 290Xes regardless (better binning, lower clocks, lower voltages, better cooling, as well as being on a single PCB).
The additional current drawn by more demanding loads, a much more power hungry CPU than what you get on the mainstream platform, and probably considerably higher ambient temperatures.

Together my 290Xes will draw about 700-750w in OCCT or Furmark. Folding or BOINC can get into the 600w range. Gaming is usually a bit less. My 5820k will use ~220w in Prime95 or ~150w while transcoding. Board, RAM, HDDs, and fans account for the remainder. PSU is about 88% efficient at 100% load, so if I see 1200w at the wall, the PSU is delivering 1056w.
I'd consider 2x all-round speed up vs. a completely stock reference 290X, no multi-GPU issues, and triple the VRAM to be a pretty compelling upgrade. I'd probably be willing to spend somewhere in the $750 dollar ballpark for it.

Last time I checked my setup during Crysis 3 was ~ 650W with cards at stock, 850W with +100mV and 1050W with + 200mV. 650W is not that bad.
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Not on air.

Keeping the VRM cool on air during worst case loads is extremely difficult. The reference cooler actually cools the VRM pretty well, but it can't handle the GPU's heat production without sounding like a hair dryer. Non-reference and after market coolers, like what's on the Sapphire Tri-X NEs that I've got cool the GPU much better, but the VRM cooling isn't any better and rapidly becomes the limiting factor.

Yeah, I could get a 20% OC and a 20% performance increase in Time Spy if being able to pass a few runs of Time Spy without blatant artifacts was my standard for stability.
That overclock I used for Time Spy worked fine 24/7. I wasn't doing anything unusual like 100% fan speed or anything stupid like that. I'm not a huge "overclocker", I tend to use benchmarks just as stress tests. I'm not pushing some agenda, I've simply never felt any of the issues you're talking about. I was happy with the overclocking and cooling capabilities on that particular model of card.

I think the most important thing I think we can take from this is that going two cards is a mistake - extra expense, difficult to justify upgrading to a single GPU, lack of support (especially crossfire) and all the other downsides. Single GPUs always work.

Furmark+Prime95 is not anywhere near a realistic workload and frankly I don't think the power consumption numbers don't matter. AMD and NV are right to throttle their newer cards when you run that crap.
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