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Back then release schedules, prices, and products were predictable and no-nonsense.

Fully unlocked high end flagship for $499. Cut down flagship for $329. Midrange for $229. Boom, that's it. No BS.

Those were days. biggrin.gif
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Those were days. biggrin.gif

Those days where fake. Very fake because they never existed. People seem to forget history of GPUs. Lets start with GTX280. MSRP of $650. Forced to drop to $500 because HD 4870 was friken $300. Move to GTX480. It was not a full Chip, It was cut down. It was also very hot running and 6 months late to the party, hence $500 price tag. GTX580 was a full chip but was basically the same card. Kind of like Titan OG to Titan Black. You paid $500 because anything more would be stupid. After that we all know the story. Nvidia was not late, did not run hot and could charger $650-700 for their high end part.
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The only time nvidia cards have been cheap is when ati/amd could actually compete with them....

That 8800gtx was also the best you could possibly buy when it came out, all for $600ish. It was top dog for 2? years before anything faster came out.

Now, the next faster card is 6 months away and $1200.

Intel cpu's have been in similar price ranges for a while, they just removed the OC capabilities of the lower end ones. They haven't gone up nearly as much as GPUs.
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The only time nvidia cards have been cheap is when ati/amd could actually compete with them....

That 8800gtx was also the best you could possibly buy when it came out, all for $600ish. It was top dog for 2? years before anything faster came out.

Now, the next faster card is 6 months away and $1200.

Intel cpu's have been in similar price ranges for a while, they just removed the OC capabilities of the lower end ones. They haven't gone up nearly as much as GPUs.

And? $600 in 2006 would be worth $712.80 in 2016.

CPI Index:
https://www.minneapolisfed.org/community/teaching-aids/cpi-calculator-information/consumer-price-index-and-inflation-rates-1913

GTX 1080 is actually cheaper than 8800 GTX. You also forgot that Nvidia released 8800 Ultra for $1000 soon after which is $1188 in today's dollars
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And? $600 in 2006 would be worth $712.80 in 2016.

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https://www.minneapolisfed.org/community/teaching-aids/cpi-calculator-information/consumer-price-index-and-inflation-rates-1913

GTX 1080 is actually cheaper than 8800 GTX. You also forgot that Nvidia released 8800 Ultra for $1000 soon after which is $1188 in today's dollars

8800 Ultra was $830.

8800 Ultra came after which is irrelevant. Nobody would cares if Titan cames after Ti card.
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The reason both companies are price hiking... OCN is giving birth to new enthusiasts everyday. True.
Some of that indeed. I bet most tech companies love this site, and what it does to their quarterly earnings. Plus for a forum of "knowledge" we don't seem that different than those with limited knowledge. We complain all the same when things don't stay they way we like it.
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Some of that indeed. I bet most tech companies love this site, and what it does to their quarterly earnings. Plus for a forum of "knowledge" we don't seem that different than those with limited knowledge. We complain all the same when things don't stay they way we like it.

We mostly care about the GPU and not their price. People mostly complain for price.
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I got my pair of Palit 1070 Dual for US$330 each through a rare promotion in my stores. So I just use them till Nvidia came out with a full blown GP102 Geforce card (Not Titan), or anything just as good.


I will forgo TXP this time round since its cost US$1400 (with tax) if I order them from US.
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Although Nvidia cards are overpriced, it is mostly the founders edition and titan XP edition that are overpriced. Everything else is in line with what you expect pricing to be at for Nvidia to be a moderately profitable company.

If Nvidia was pricing their cards at 500 dollars for flagships and everything else was priced relatively to that, Nvidia would be taking a massive loss every quarter.

Nvidia is supply limited because of the amount of wafers they can get is limited because of competition from Apple and qualcomm. This means volume is going to stay the same.

What in this turn means is, Nvidia would be slashing its revenue by nearly half.

e.g 500 dollar titan xp
300 dollar gtx 1080
225 dollar gtx 1070
150 dollar gtx 1060

And what also would happen is because price is so low along with supply, these cards would be scalped and the retailers would take that extra revenue instead of Nvidia.

Cut Nvidia's revenue in half and all of a sudden you have 400 million dollar quarterly loses. The economics is simple. Nvidia revenue is 1.428million now. Their cost of goods sold is 602 million and their expenses is 509 million. 714million revenue vs 1111 million in expenses... and your pricing fantasies are dumb. Particularly when Nvidia is the market leader and is a business out to make money.

Add in the shrinking desktop computer sales and it's obvious margins have to get larger to make up for lower volume, and increasing expenses.

The most Nvidia could drop their prices is by a percentage which would result in 200 million less revenue which is equal to their net profit minus their intel revenue.

200 million off of 1.4 billion is just a 14.2% drop in price.

Intel has not increased their prices much but their chips are ridiculously small now.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9505/skylake-cpu-package-analysis

a 45nm lynnfield processor used to be 296mm2.
a 32nm Sandybridge processor is 216nm.
A 22nm haswell is 177mm2
And a 14nm skylake is only 122mm2.

While Intel hasn't increase their prices, by reducing the die size, they keep their margins healthy.

If people preferred the Intel strategy, the 500 dollar flagship from Nvidia would be a gtx 1060 at 500 dollars.

122/296 = 0.412

0.412*(471mm = titan xp die area or 529 or gtx 580, 520mm2) = 194-214mm2 which is about the die size of a gtx 1060.

Anyone suggesting big monolithic dies should be priced at 500 should never run a tech company as they will simply run it into the ground.
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yeah, Nvidia's margin is nowhere near Intel's, but bcz Intel's the only choice we have, we can't complain tongue.gif
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