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I was doing some thinking and I feel most cases on the market don't have the most optimal configuration for airflow; Especially in regards to non-blower style GPUs.

But before I display the configuration in mind, due note that clearly this is just a rough mockup, and a little more spacing between certain components would have more room in between them for obvious reasons.



I was thinking the case would have:

- 200mm intake fan in the front
- 2x 120mm or 2x 140 or 1x 140mm intake fan on the bottom
- 140mm exhaust fan in the rear
- Optional 120/140mm exhaust fans at the top or something
- Full dust filters in the front and bottom of the case
- Sizeable case feet to allow ample bottom airflow
- A small PSU cover would be added to the top to cover the cables making it look tidy
- Case would be wider for cable manage on the right side of the case
- Gorgeous design such as the Phanteks Enthoo Evolv or something. lol

Now let's go over the pros and cons of this design.

Pros:
  • This is probably the most important pro and that would be that both the CPU and GPU would be receiving cool air constantly.
  • Case would be of a smaller form factor being as the PSU is mounted vertically in the front

Cons:
  • With the PSU being in the front bottom, that might limit the sizes of GPUs that can be used. I haven't really thought through this part much nor a solution
  • Since the PSU is exhausting air at the bottom front of the case, the front and bottom intake fans will probably recycle the hot air, though, PSUs don't really generate much heat. And some sort of blocking off wall could probably be added to prevent this
  • Absolutely no option for water cooling other than an all-in-one unit, but this case would be designed specific for airflow only
  • All storage mounting options would be on the right side of the case. I was thinking primarily only SSDs as it is 2016 and those can be mounted easily on the opposite side of the case.
  • No 5.25 drives (again, 2016)

Even though the con list is much larger than the pro list, I honestly feel the pro list outweighs the con list. So why hasn't any manufactures produced a case with this configuration? Maybe it's because of how GPUs are getting larger in scale and the PSU location may handicap options? But there has to be a workaround for this.
post #2 of 10
That looks suspiciously like the raven. So the answer to your question: a patent prevents anyone except silverstone from using that design.
post #3 of 10
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Not necessarily. The raven (among other Silverstone cases) use the 90 degree motherboard rotation fashion. In that case, if an "open" style GPU were used, the hot air pushed out of the right side would be pushed back in by the case fans.

In my case design, the motherboard is in a standard orientation and the bottom intake fans are able to push air directly into the GPU cooling fans.
post #4 of 10
I have no idea what the motherboard orientation is in that design, but the PSU is exhausting out the bottom, so no heated air is coming out but from the PSU.
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Many people do not want hot air exhausting out the bottom of the case. Take a moment to think about anyone in the following situations:

- Case on desk: hot air being pushed out the bottom will spread in all directions and heat up your mouse/keyboard area

- Case on a nice paint or other non-hard surface desk: The constant heat could cause damage to a painted, urethaned, lacquered, or otherwise finished desk and soften up the finish enough that moving something could wreck the finish.



Also without some sort of divider on the bottom of the case, some of the PSU hot air will likely get sucked in through the bottom intake fans.



Also before it gets ignored, the fact that you have fans moving even the littlest bit of air means that natural convection isn't really a factor in cooling components anymore.
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I have no idea what the motherboard orientation is in that design, but the PSU is exhausting out the bottom, so no heated air is coming out but from the PSU.

The OP shows heated air existing from the top and the rear of the case. The location of the rear exhaust suggests the MOBO orientation is conventional.
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Many people do not want hot air exhausting out the bottom of the case. Take a moment to think about anyone in the following situations:

- Case on desk: hot air being pushed out the bottom will spread in all directions and heat up your mouse/keyboard area

- Case on a nice paint or other non-hard surface desk: The constant heat could cause damage to a painted, urethaned, lacquered, or otherwise finished desk and soften up the finish enough that moving something could wreck the finish.

Also without some sort of divider on the bottom of the case, some of the PSU hot air will likely get sucked in through the bottom intake fans.

Also before it gets ignored, the fact that you have fans moving even the littlest bit of air means that natural convection isn't really a factor in cooling components anymore.

Heated air being exhausted from the PSU being comingled with the bottom intake air would be more of a concern than possible furniture finish damage. I've never noticed all that much heat being exhausted from a PSU, even if it is being thrashed.

Another problem I can see is the power cord and switch on the PSU would be located in an awkward to access location on the bottom of the case.
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That looks suspiciously like the raven. So the answer to your question: a patent prevents anyone except silverstone from using that design.

LOL - before I even scrolled down to the second post I was ready to say that Silverstone has done this in a few cases.
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I remembered there was a strange Lian-Li case and found it on their site:

http://www.lian-li.com/en/dt_portfolio/pc-a56/

It has the PSU and the board in positions as in the first post here, but the intended air flow is very different. I think I remember it was a bad case in practice, its intended setup for air flow didn't work well.

To change it and use it like the first post here wants, it is missing holes in the bottom.
post #9 of 10
For an air flow only case, why not just move the MB towards the front of the case and leave the psu in its proper place? Throw in a an adapter for usb, video and such? Would also need a bracket to support video cards. In fact if this were done then more than one fan could be placed in the rear of the case.

Imagine three 140's front and back. Opps forgot the psu, then again maybe drop the bottom fans and position the psu centered under the MB, and let the front to back air flow to pull this heat away from the other components?
post #10 of 10
It looks to me like all of the hot air from the GPU would be traveling up past the CPU and VRMs on its way out of the case. That would kill any air cooled setup.
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