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Windows 7 is a dying os.Don't you guys get that?Hopefully you have a plan for a future with no Microsoft if you are holding on to 7.

If you move to 10 years from now it only would have made sense to get it while it was free.

It just seemed like a simple decision to me to move to 10.I didn't like the idea of it either,but It only makes sense if I want to continue using windows in the future.

If support stopped for 7 today everyone of you would move to 10.Just do it now and get on with it.

It won't be long before your favorite thing to do with windows will require a move to 10.
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The percentage swings are so minuscule that it could be argued they are within margin of error, not sure where the rhetoric of mass migration back to 7 is coming from..

Seeing as though i was one of the 3 or 4 people in this thread who said Win 10 wasn't the crashing, unbootable, unstable broken mess that some were making it out to be, i guess that makes me a defender? I wasn't really defending it, just posting my experience with it..


Well if you don't want any of that, then the answer seems pretty straight forward. thumb.gif The "ads' part is a bit hyperbolic though, some people make it sound like they get sports commercials while they're trying to reply to an email.. I've personally never seen an ad, but i am on Pro, so maybe it is terrible for the others. Like i said, Microsoft's garbage policies are ruining the reputation/trust of (in my opinion) a good OS.

I always had problems with alt-tabbing, audio, and a myriad of other little annoyances on Win 7, they're all gone on 10. Outside of when i was OC'ing i haven't had one BSoD, it seems to boot faster, and just all round feels a lot snappier than 7.

The main reason i "upgraded" was for gaming though, pre-loading Gears 4 shortly. smile.gif


Who said anything about "rhetoric of mass migration back to 7" ? I didn't. I merely tried to make sense of why just after the "free" upgrade period was over the data swings back to 7 the way it did when Windows 10 didn't lose marketshare in any of the previous 12 months. Problems with the Anniversary Update may have also made some people go back to 7 because they've had enough.

The ads part is hyperbolic? Well, if you get "Get Office" notifications while replying to an e-mail, ads on the lock screen and on the Start menu, is it that far off relatively speaking considering that you're using an OS to work and not on a site like YouTube? As the link I posted shows, they are reverting choices people made in that regard.

As to the part where I implied you were defending Windows 10, well, just reading your post above proves that point. And you are still trying to separate the OS underneath from Microsoft's policies that tarnish the experience when the thing is being handled by them as a service and they've made it perfectly clear that it's take it or leave it.


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Windows 7 is a dying os.Don't you guys get that?Hopefully you have a plan for a future with no Microsoft if you are holding on to 7.

If you move to 10 years from now it only would have made sense to get it while it was free.

It just seemed like a simple decision to me to move to 10.I didn't like the idea of it either,but It only makes sense if I want to continue using windows in the future.

If support stopped for 7 today everyone of you would move to 10.Just do it now and get on with it.

It won't be long before your favorite thing to do with windows will require a move to 10.



No. If support for Windows 7 were to illegally end today, most people would be legitimately mad at Microsoft and would sooner move to Linux than you might think. Besides, Windows 10 is now paid. All of the "free" and malware like tactics for a whole year (and some more with the GWX reservation notifications on 7 and 8.1) got them was a 7 months improvement to get to 400 million users compared to what Windows 7 did in its time. Let that sink in. All they got with a free OS and very pushy and devious tactics versus a paid one was a seven month adoption improvement. That should tell you something about the lack of merit of Windows 10 as an operating system as a whole for its intended audience.
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I definitely do see how flawed your statement is, just as most users saw how flawed the last disaster was that was spewed out by those fools at Redmond. It was such a success it went the way of Batman: Arkham Refund.

Win Spy is extremely buggy and in perpetual beta stage. Unlike most people I have a license for Win Spy Candy Crush Enterprise Saga (which fool decided that the Enterprise edition should be shipped with Candy Crush?) and I detest it more than I detested ME.

So much hate rolleyes.gif
I liked 7 because it ran so much better than vista and xp because it was so much better than me.
Now 7 and xp seem old and junky. w10 is much better not only on an individual computer, but even more so on the aggregate of all my computers and phone. I doubt my low end stuff would run well if at all on updated 7 (atom sticks/tablet) while they run like butter on 10.
It seems like you are still bitter over that alternating bad/good os ploy. They dropped that with 8 and have instead gone to the better, better, better os to drive sales.

I never used enterprise 7, but I suspect it had solitaire and minesweeper.

Windows 10 comes with unnessesary bloatware like skype, the app store, and lots of other crap. The thing that really bothers me is the forced updates.

If I chose to leave my Windows not updated, why do you care if I get a virus?

If I chose to not lock my car, who are you to force me to lock it?

Soon I will be running a few un-updated SP1 Win7 machines with no anti-virus. #egdyasalways
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I definitely do see how flawed your statement is, just as most users saw how flawed the last disaster was that was spewed out by those fools at Redmond. It was such a success it went the way of Batman: Arkham Refund.

 

Win Spy is extremely buggy and in perpetual beta stage. Unlike most people I have a license for Win Spy Candy Crush Enterprise Saga (which fool decided that the Enterprise edition should be shipped with Candy Crush?) and I detest it more than I detested ME.

 

Great, now I too see that it is pointless to try and continue any reasonable conversation we could possibly have had on this subject.

M$py removed the Anniversary Disaster from updates because it was deleting partitions and other things that it shouldn't have been doing and you say my arguments are pointless?

 

How on earth did M$py give themselves permission to basically reset the OS and delete software they deemed wasn't necessary? They got this permission from people who defend them vehemently.

 

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I definitely do see how flawed your statement is, just as most users saw how flawed the last disaster was that was spewed out by those fools at Redmond. It was such a success it went the way of Batman: Arkham Refund.

Win Spy is extremely buggy and in perpetual beta stage. Unlike most people I have a license for Win Spy Candy Crush Enterprise Saga (which fool decided that the Enterprise edition should be shipped with Candy Crush?) and I detest it more than I detested ME.

So much hate rolleyes.gif
I liked 7 because it ran so much better than vista and xp because it was so much better than me.
Now 7 and xp seem old and junky. w10 is much better not only on an individual computer, but even more so on the aggregate of all my computers and phone. I doubt my low end stuff would run well if at all on updated 7 (atom sticks/tablet) while they run like butter on 10.
It seems like you are still bitter over that alternating bad/good os ploy. They dropped that with 8 and have instead gone to the better, better, better os to drive sales.

I never used enterprise 7, but I suspect it had solitaire and minesweeper.

Solitaire and minesweeper are not Candy Crush. Candy Crush is advertised in that drama called Start Menu. Now I am waiting to see whether Server comes with Candy Crush or not.

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Solitaire and minesweeper are not Candy Crush. Candy Crush is advertised in that drama called Start Menu. Now I am waiting to see whether Server comes with Candy Crush or not.

Additionally, neither Solitaire nor Minesweeper in Windows 7 are Internet connected with built-in microtransactions nor are they re-installed with every Threshold / Anniversary Update / etc after you've deleted them the first time.
 
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Solitaire and minesweeper are not Candy Crush. Candy Crush is advertised in that drama called Start Menu. Now I am waiting to see whether Server comes with Candy Crush or not.

Additionally, neither Solitaire nor Minesweeper in Windows 7 are Internet connected with built-in microtransactions nor are they re-installed with every Threshold / Anniversary Update / etc after you've deleted them the first time.

Exactly. Home edition I can understand as it can be argued it's for entertainment but Professional and Enterprise? I just can't get over it.

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Who said anything about "rhetoric of mass migration back to 7" ?
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Good that we are now seeing the tipping point at which the majority have finally stopped believing in that awful Trojan 10 service.

It was just the impression i got from the tone of some posts, like yours.
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Predictable, people followed their interests, grabbed the "free" upgrade while the offer was on and then reverted back to Windows 7.

I just thought some of you were making a bigger deal of it than it really is, the data in the OP doesn't really prove much.. Especially with those tiny differences.


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The ads part is hyperbolic? Well, if you get "Get Office" notifications while replying to an e-mail, ads on the lock screen and on the Start menu, is it that far off relatively speaking considering that you're using an OS to work and not on site like YouTube? As the link I posted shows, they are reverting choices people made in that regard.

My choices weren't reverted after the Anniversary update, none of my programs were uninstalled either which i know has been happening to a few people. If MS were intentionally causing it to happen, then it should happen to everyone, right?

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As to the part where I implied you were defending Windows 10, well, just reading your post above proves that point. And you are still trying to separate the OS underneath from Microsoft's policies that tarnish the experience when the thing is being handled by them as a service and they've made it perfectly clear that it's take it or leave it.

I separated the OS from the policies because my first post was addressing people who were basically saying Windows 10 is a terrible, unstable OS with or without the policies..

I agree the policies suck, I've said that in both my posts..
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Exactly. Home edition I can understand as it can be argued it's for entertainment but Professional and Enterprise? I just can't get over it.
While that could be true but if it was deleted MS should respect that decision and not reinstall it with every big update. I have a spyware10 in Vbox just to keep track what they do with this hunk of junk and it always reinstalled them. I got tired of it and now i just boot up a linux and delete their folders(all "modern" apps, defender, skydrive).
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Who said anything about "rhetoric of mass migration back to 7" ?
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Good that we are now seeing the tipping point at which the majority have finally stopped believing in that awful Trojan 10 service.

It was just the impression i got from the tone of some posts, like yours.
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Predictable, people followed their interests, grabbed the "free" upgrade while the offer was on and then reverted back to Windows 7.

I just thought some of you were making a bigger deal of it than it really is, the data in the OP doesn't really prove much.. Especially with those tiny differences.


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The ads part is hyperbolic? Well, if you get "Get Office" notifications while replying to an e-mail, ads on the lock screen and on the Start menu, is it that far off relatively speaking considering that you're using an OS to work and not on site like YouTube? As the link I posted shows, they are reverting choices people made in that regard.

My choices weren't reverted after the Anniversary update, none of my programs were uninstalled either which i know has been happening to a few people. If MS were intentionally causing it to happen, then it should happen to everyone, right?

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As to the part where I implied you were defending Windows 10, well, just reading your post above proves that point. And you are still trying to separate the OS underneath from Microsoft's policies that tarnish the experience when the thing is being handled by them as a service and they've made it perfectly clear that it's take it or leave it.

I separated the OS from the policies because my first post was addressing people who were basically saying Windows 10 is a terrible, unstable OS with or without the policies..

I agree the policies suck, I've said that in both my posts..

Well, first of all that second quote which you didn't attribute to anyone, wasn't made by me and in the first quote I immediately said "I didn't." (which you ommitted) because you were replying to me and talking about the mass migration rhetoric, and second, I even made the point of saying that I wasn't one of the people who behaved in the manner I had just described, and considering that Windows 7 has more than 48% marketshare, a few hundred million more didn't either.

I thought that much was obvious to begin with; the whole goal of my first sentence was to try to explain the shift. I'm not making more out of the shift than what it is, I'm not making up numbers, they are what they are, but as I said, considering the trend in the last 12 months and the exact moment where this shift towards 7 happened, there aren't, in my opinion, any other logical explanations for it.
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We should Support Vulcan, That way , we can use windowz 7 forEVER.. biggrin.gif

Windows 7 is gross. Try using Win 7 after using Win 10 for a year.

Why does everyone always ride on Win7 nuts? Haha Windows 10 and Win 8 are easier to use and everything isn't as scattered.

I can maneuver 20 times faster in Win 10, but in Win 7 doing the same tasks feels more cumbersome.
    
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