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I overclock with stock coolers because they're cheap and easy to use, but I can never go as far as some of the other guys do. For example...

http://hwbot.org/submission/3248264_

ESPECIALLY this one; http://hwbot.org/submission/3207783_

What normally happens is that I'll overclock the CPU and it will boot into the BIOS and then crash or only boot half way and crash. Would better cooling fix this?
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Cooling lowers your temps, if the tempertuare drop is high you should get higher overclocks on same oc, and you should overclock even further if you increace voltage.

More voltage means you can push more ghz out of the cpu, stock cooling versus something like a evo 212 is already a big upgrade
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I get the feeling (this is only speculating with no evidence) the stock cooler doesn't quite spread out across the entire cpu like other coolers do and I feel like it can get hot spots and make overclocking unstable. I couldbarely reach 4.2ghz on my 2500k with stock but then with water I can reach 4.6 fairly easily. It's obvious you'll get better temps with a third party cooler and higher overclocks but what I'm trying to say is that at least most coolers actually spread the block across the entire cpu to give more cooling consistency which will help even at lower overclocks
    
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Cooling lowers your temps, if the tempertuare drop is high you should get higher overclocks on same oc, and you should overclock even further if you increace voltage.

More voltage means you can push more ghz out of the cpu, stock cooling versus something like a evo 212 is already a big upgrade

This.

You won't go but so far with a stock cooler, if you keep pushing it like this you'll eventually wind up with a dead CPU.

If wanting to OC something such as a Socket A you'll have to really look around nowadays for a good cooler, the named Evo 212 isn't for use with a Socket A. You'll have to check around in places such as E-Bay to find one that's good for use with a Socket A and provide good enough cooling to run a chip in the way you're trying to do.

One possibility to look for would be a Thermaltake Volcano, use that as a keyword for a search and it should show something if any of these are out there to get. There are others that are just as good or even better than a Volcano but I know that one by name since I have two of those for my use and bought those brandnew back in the day (No, these are not for sale).
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I overclock with stock coolers because they're cheap and easy to use, but I can never go as far as some of the other guys do.

After market coolers exist for a reason.
You seem to be asking a question with the answer in the question itself. You're using a cheap/easy solution, if that was sufficient, how would the expensive/complex solutions ever make a sale (especially when most of the CPU's come with said stock cooler - hence its stock-ness)?

Better cooling exists for a reason, and if you are overclocking, hopefully you've realised that heat is a major factor.
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I get the feeling (this is only speculating with no evidence) the stock cooler doesn't quite spread out across the entire cpu like other coolers do and I feel like it can get hot spots and make overclocking unstable.

This is untrue. Stock coolers cover the full area of the processor die, just like any other cooler and TIM fills in any gaps and spread the heat relatively evenly across the cooler block interface.

The difference between stock and aftermarket coolers is typically materials (aluminum, copper), total heat dissipation area (stack size of the fins and number of fins in a given area), and volumetric air flow (fan size, speed, and pressure). Most after market coolers are better on all those fronts, better heat conducting material, large radiator area with high fin density, and better fan air flow. Plus stock TIMs tend to be applied in a piss poor manner as well as being less conductive then what people purchase or cooler manufacturers ship with their products.

To answer the OPs question, unless you're using, say a Wraith which is a newer stock cooler, which has gotten relatively good reviews on cooling capacity, stock coolers just don't cut it. A lot of aftermarket coolers are dirt cheap as well, the 212 which everyone always mentions is only $20-30 depending on where you get it and a vast improvement over all stock cooling solutions.
Edited by BulletBait - 10/2/16 at 11:47pm
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The Wraith is the only stock cooler than I know of that's comparable to an aftermarket cooler. It is close to as powerful as the EVO.

Any other stock cooler is a waste of time if you're trying to overclock. Get a 140mm single tower cooler at least.
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This.

You won't go but so far with a stock cooler, if you keep pushing it like this you'll eventually wind up with a dead CPU.

If wanting to OC something such as a Socket A you'll have to really look around nowadays for a good cooler, the named Evo 212 isn't for use with a Socket A. You'll have to check around in places such as E-Bay to find one that's good for use with a Socket A and provide good enough cooling to run a chip in the way you're trying to do.

One possibility to look for would be a Thermaltake Volcano, use that as a keyword for a search and it should show something if any of these are out there to get. There are others that are just as good or even better than a Volcano but I know that one by name since I have two of those for my use and bought those brandnew back in the day (No, these are not for sale).

Hmm, good idea. I think all my boards minus the Socket A will work with the 212 EVO. BUT, a local PC store is selling Thermaltake Volcano 9s for $20 and Volcano 6+s for $12. Think I'll grab that Volcano 6.


Thanks for the help, guys! Now maybe I can FINALLY do well in HWBOT competitions!
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Just make sure the Volcano you saw works with an A and believe it should. The Volcano 9 would be a better buy than the 6 overall, remember once you buy it you're stuck with it more or less.
The EVO coolers sometimes are spec'ed for a specific socket/brand such as Intel sockets only (Depends on mounting hardware included with the cooler), make sure you get the right one when you get a cooler, that goes for any cooler you look at.
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The EVO isn't that great of a cooler. I'd spend a little more to get a 140mm single tower, personally.
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