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I understood things like this:

A person uses a machine and gets a survey pop-up. The person then responds and the machine gets put into the survey results. If the person doesn't want to respond, the machine does not get put into the survey results.

If a machine is unused, then there's no person that could have gotten the survey pop-up so the machine can't get into the results.

Did I misunderstand something?

 

Yes, you missed the point, that Steam's results are skewed, because they do not purge old results/data on machines from 3, or 4 years ago.. that are perhaps no longer in use, or have been replaced, etc.

 

That is why people are pushing for a opt-in solution of monthly polling of people's hardware, to get an UP TO DATE account of their metrics, etc. And better public metrics.

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That is why people are pushing for a opt-in solution of monthly polling of people's hardware, to get an UP TO DATE account of their metrics, etc.

That is literally what they do.
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Yes, you missed the point, that Steam's results are skewed, because they do not purge old results/data on machines from 3, or 4 years ago.. that are perhaps no longer in use, or have been replaced, etc.

That is why people are pushing for a opt-in solution of monthly polling of people's hardware, to get an UP TO DATE account of their metrics, etc. And better public metrics.

I think I wasn't clear when I described how I thought their survey works. When I tried to describe how people get a pop-up and respond and are put into the survey, I was thinking that the end results they show are about one single round of surveying, not about one long survey through the years that is built out of several rounds of surveying.

Basically, I thought there's not a "Steam Survey", instead I thought of there being a "Steam Survey January 2016" or "Steam Survey March 2016", etc., with each of those surveys being completely separate from the previous ones. I was thinking that if there's a really crappy machine mentioned in their current survey, that's a real person out there who was sitting at that crappy machine and who got a pop-up and then responded, right now in the last month or so.
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That is why people are pushing for a opt-in solution of monthly polling of people's hardware, to get an UP TO DATE account of their metrics, etc.

That is literally what they do.

I think he means everybody being given the option to opt-in at will instead of only having that option when Valve randomly selects them. That idea seems well intended but is ultimately dangerous because it opens the door for manipulations.

Besides, his idea that there is old data in there doesn't make sense and is not true. The survey is sent out every month; only active computers will see it. Will it happen that some people that turned on their secondary, slower and older rig that they use as a backup and / or as an HTPC seldomly coincidentally get the survey on that day, but go years without getting it on their main rig? Of course, statistically it will happen, but that should not influence the outcome in any meaningful way.

Besides, as I said above, if Valve were to leave at the will of the individual users the right to determine what rig they want to submit, a lot of groups / companies with not very good intentions might start distorting the marketshare of some products or even try to destabilize Steam as a platform, like artificially prolonging performance cycles in certain categories by cycling dual cores or older GPUs through accounts and making it seem that making games for Steam will hold developers back, or the opposite, with too much higher end hardware, throwing developers into making more demanding games and then facing backlash over the performance of games because that reality wasn't real. It happens with reviews that try to manipulate the system and people, why wouldn't it happen with a hardware survey? Of course it would.

People that understand how samples, polls, statistics, margins of error and confidence levels work will see that the survey is representative and is well balanced in the way it was designed.

The system works as it is and it's a good balance between being efficient and protective of people's privacy. Having said that, it's a Steam hardware survey, not a global PC hardware survey. It's a good indicator, but it should be read with all of its characteristics, like for example taking into account that the mainstays in the top three games played dwarf all the others, especially the first two, by at least a factor of 10: Dota 2 and CS:GO are DX 9 games with relatively low all-round hardware requirements, so of course the platform will have quite a few gamers that don't need the latest and greatest hardware to play the games they like to play. Take it as it is.
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The only thing worth owning in the steam library is Battlefield.


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aha so you're saying steam has no games worth owning then? tongue.gif
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I think I wasn't clear when I described how I thought their survey works. When I tried to describe how people get a pop-up and respond and are put into the survey, I was thinking that the end results they show are about one single round of surveying, not about one long survey through the years that is built out of several rounds of surveying.

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If they did it that way, then the average CPU speed wouldn't be 2.3Ghz...

 

For instance, I am running 4.2ghz right now, my old rig was 3.2Ghz, and the one before that was 2.8Ghz... 11 years ago. That is why people are laughing at Steam's results. They are so outdated.  

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If they did it that way, then the average CPU speed wouldn't be 2.3Ghz...

For instance, I am running 4.2ghz right now, my old rig was 3.2Ghz, and the one before that was 2.8Ghz... 11 years ago. That is why people are laughing at Steam's results. They are so outdated.  

Plenty of laptops in the world. 25% of the results are 1366 x 768.
Edited by Forceman - 10/4/16 at 6:59pm
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aha so you're saying steam has no games worth owning then? tongue.gif

 

 

Well, not many games worth buying threw Steam. I typically don't use that discount store... unless it is the only way to purchase the game. I like to have all my games with Collector's Editions & retail boxes. On a shelf.

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