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Probably very nice monitors but none are gaming monitors. So expect little to no bleed and better uniformity but only 60 Hz (high refresh rate is awesome for immersiveness by the way, not just competitive gaming) and no G-SYNC.
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I'd wait a few months for the inevitable 35" 3440 x 1440 144-200 Hz G-SYNC/ULMB VA monitors.

Whats the point of having a high refresh rate monitor if the pixel response time can't keep up ?

I am not sure i would recommend a high refresh monitor with a VA panel at this point.

The performance of the AMVA Panel's from au optronics are well known, and the new SVA ones from Samsung are not that much better it would seem.

The new acer z271 uses the same Panel as the samsung cfg70 (27" model), though userreviews are scarce at this point, however the few reviews existing mention slow pixel response time (va typical) ghosting(at higher hz) and severe overshoot even on modest overdrive settings.

tftcentrals tweet on the new SVA Panel featured in the acer z271: https://twitter.com/TFTCentral/status/783220684273119236
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Whats the point of having a high refresh rate monitor if the pixel response time can't keep up ?

I am not sure i would recommend a high refresh monitor with a VA panel at this point.

The performance of the AMVA Panel's from au optronics are well known, and the new SVA ones from Samsung are not that much better it would seem.

The new acer z271 uses the same Panel as the samsung cfg70 (27" model), though userreviews are scarce at this point, however the few reviews existing mention slow pixel response time (va typical) ghosting(at higher hz) and severe overshoot even on modest overdrive settings.

tftcentrals tweet on the new SVA Panel featured in the acer z271: https://twitter.com/TFTCentral/status/783220684273119236

They can generally keep up ok outside of dark pixel transitions. Plus, regardless of response time higher refresh rate has other benefits. Higher frame rates will always look smoother. Hence why so many Acer Z35 users prefer 200 Hz.

Also, lots of people won't even notice the ghosting in dark scenes. He can try to judge for himself with this:


The saving grace for those high refresh rate VA monitors is blur reduction which nearly eliminates the issue. You'll just have to be able to maintain 85 FPS, 100 FPS, or 120 FPS in games, which should be easy for him. 85 Hz ULMB may be intolerable though, so shoot for 120 Hz if possible and if not, 100 Hz. Might have to dial down some insignificant settings in some games. Fallout games need to be capped at 60-75 FPS though so in those you'll have to deal with ghosting in dark scenes.
Edited by boredgunner - 10/4/16 at 8:00am
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Sorry, I never had a VA panel and I don't want to sound stupid, but where do I have to look at to notice the smearing effect in the video?
Is it the light blur effect in the background?
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Probably very nice monitors but none are gaming monitors. So expect little to no bleed and better uniformity but only 60 Hz (high refresh rate is awesome for immersiveness by the way, not just competitive gaming) and no G-SYNC.

True, competitive gaming (super fast twitch speed) it is not. General gaming purposes it does the job. The high res and good color reproduction panel should help bring the games to life.
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If the pixel transitions are too slow, a strobing backlight will possibly make the visuals even worse by introducing strobing crosstalk, that is if some pixel transitions are not finished yet while the strobe occurs it can introduce additional ghosting.

Sure if the strobing is set up properly it can mask some of the pixel transitions (but not all if they are too slow like on VA panels) by waiting a few ms before flashing during each refresh, but a refresh period, specially during high 100hz+, only lasts so much.

I really dont understand why you therefore think that a strobing backlight would solve the issues of slow (VA) panels.

Here is a video where the slow tansitions are more obvious ( on a AMVA panel from au optroncis)

Edited by aliquis - 10/4/16 at 8:36am
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The x34 seems like a good choice but it is on the expensive side of things but I will keep it in consider. Any other recommendations are welcome.thumb.gif
Also there are two versions of the x34. The normal x34 and one named Acer XR341CKbmijpphz. The latter one is 232 usd cheaper how are they different?

As per my above post (one of the first few):
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Mine is obviously just the AMD/Freesync version of the X34 with a 75hz refresh as opposed to the X34's G-sync 100hz but apart from that they are identical in specs.

Seeing as you have a Titan XP you would def want the X34 as it have G-Sync. Seems to very mixed info about the XR341CK being able to do 75hz on Nvidia cards. Most actual users say it works but same reviews say it doesnt which could just be a review sample issue or a hit and miss thing.

So if you feel that 25hz and the lack of Gsync is worth the savings and possibly a switch to the red team if they release a titan xp equivalent (prob a dual core card as thats what the rumor mill is saying the top tier AMD card will be) then go for it.
If you love your Titan XP and dont want to see it go at all, and want to get the most from it then get the X34 thumb.gif
   
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If the pixel transitions are too slow, a strobing backlight will possibly make the visuals even worse by introducing strobing crosstalk, that is if some pixel transitions are not finished yet while the strobe occurs it can introduce additional ghosting.

Sure if the strobing is set up properly it can mask some of the pixel transitions (but not all if they are too slow like on VA panels) by waiting a few ms before flashing during each refresh, but a refresh period, specially during high 100hz+, only lasts so much.

I really dont understand why you therefore think that a strobing backlight would solve the issues of slow (VA) panels.

Here is a video where the slow tansitions are more obvious ( on a AMVA panel from au optroncis)

The Z35 isn't known to have particularly bad strobe crosstalk. Here is a review that compares the Z35 to the X34:

http://www.overclock.net/t/1554247/build-log-vegas-2015-chromed-copper-tube-gaming-system/220#post_24741051

Would have been nice if he did the full screen UFO test so we can see how bad the strobe crosstalk is toward the bottom of the screen, but in that test it's negligible and he concludes the Z35's motion clarity with ULMB far surpasses the X34 as expected. Most motion blur is removed by alleviating the sample and hold effect so the only potential remaining issues are crosstalk and inverse ghosting (the latter never really being an issue on ULMB monitors).
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Sorry, I never had a VA panel and I don't want to sound stupid, but where do I have to look at to notice the smearing effect in the video?
Is it the light blur effect in the background?

I'd say it's a good thing you don't notice, all the more reason to wait for a VA alternative to avoid a glowing screen and grey/white blacks. But to answer your question, look at the tree tops and sky. It's like the tree tops are painting the sky black but then the black dissipates.
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The x34 seems like a good choice but it is on the expensive side of things but I will keep it in consider. Any other recommendations are welcome.thumb.gif
Also there are two versions of the x34. The normal x34 and one named Acer XR341CKbmijpphz. The latter one is 232 usd cheaper how are they different?

The XR341CK is the FreeSync version, the X34 is G-Sync. FreeSync doesn't cost anything to implement, so it's the same price as if the monitor had no "sync" at all (that's why it's called FreeSync). On the other hand G-Sync adds quite a bit to the price.
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