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Oof. The MSI looks pretty nice spec-wise, but the price is just more than I can justify and the fact that its processor is just Sandy Bridge i7 performance isn't exactly comforting, along with being non-upgradeable. The 960M would be pretty nice and is a sizable upgrade over SLI'd 650Ms, but I'm just not sure I'd be able to do that much. Maybe it's worth it to just wait a little while longer to save up more and see if one comes up used.
860m is a 960m rebrand, and 650m's can be unlocked to levels of the 755m which competed with the 860m.

That is of course with games that support SLI.
    
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Oof. The MSI looks pretty nice spec-wise, but the price is just more than I can justify and the fact that its processor is just Sandy Bridge i7 performance isn't exactly comforting, along with being non-upgradeable. The 960M would be pretty nice and is a sizable upgrade over SLI'd 650Ms, but I'm just not sure I'd be able to do that much. Maybe it's worth it to just wait a little while longer to save up more and see if one comes up used.
Its single core performance is still as good or better than the 3740QM, so I doubt you'll notice much of a performance difference. And I's sure it runs cooler and quieter too since its on a much more efficient architecture.
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That is of course with games that support SLI.
That and they're going to consume more power and put out a lot more heat too.

I'm not sure how comfortable I'd be with upgrading the CPU to a higher power i7 and pushing the GPU's on an older used laptop.
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It has been done multiple times by a slew of members on other forums half of which were refurbs

Wont be an issue and SLI was never an issue, its designed for it.
    
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Argh, now you guys are killing me. I guess I didn't expect this to be such a tough decision.

If I got the Y500, I'd be ordering a 3740QM with it. Buying the laptop for ~$400 and another $50-100 for the CPU for a total investment of $450-500.

Buy the MSI and I'm stuck with what it is with the 6300HQ but with a better 960M that won't have issues an SLI setup will have and lower power draw plus higher overclocking potential, and it'll also be a new laptop with a warranty.

Both pretty much have all the features I'm after in a 15.6" 1080p screen, numpad, 8GB RAM, quad core Intel, etc.

So I guess pros and cons:

Y500:
Pros:
Faster CPU
Upgradeable CPU in the future
Backlit keyboard
Removable graphics card
Cheaper by $150

Cons:
Higher power draw
Lower battery life
Possible SLI issues
No warranty
Older architecture


GL62:
Pros:
Faster GPU with even better OC potential
Newest CPU
DDR4
Most efficient
Least power draw
DX12
Warranty
Brand new

Cons:
Slower CPU in heavily multi-threaded programs
Only 4 threads
Non-upgradeable CPU
Non-backlit keyboard
More expensive by at least $150

Anything else I'm missing?



And I guess if I'm looking at $650 new laptops, $650 used laptops just entered the ring... which could get me something with an i7 49XX series Intel CPU and a 780M.

So decisions decisions.

Y'all are successfully convincing me to spend more money than I should.
Edited by Detroitsoldier - 10/5/16 at 6:16am
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I wouldnt bother personally, if 650m is enough for your needs then sell the second one and that will pay for the CPU.

They are rare as most people dont want to part with SLI capabilities despite all the fear mongering.

I had owned the y510p myself for about a year and had lots of fun with it.

The one thing if anything that bothered me the most is the slave gpu dumping its heat on my right hand when gaming. Though this was ok when I was in korea as its quite cold in the winter
    
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Seems like almost every review shows bad microstuttering with the 650M SLI combo or the 755M SLI combo. I'd love to have the performance of them but just not sure if the potential issues are worth it.

At this point, you have me scrounging through Y510p ads trying to see if there's any I can scoop up for <$500.
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And threads like these have me kind of saying abandon ship to the idea of M SLI again...

http://www.tomsguide.com/answers/id-2122214/nvidia-755m-sli-gtx-860m.html
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Nothing that can't be fixed by flashing the bios to the 3rd party version.

I never experienced micro stuttering with my y510p and I am quite sensitive to it, I jumped from amd for years because of it.

There were issues with the model line like the second gpu not being activated after updating to Windows 8.1 and such, all real was needed was a new bios but it's not like non savvy people knew to think that.

Not much point in getting the y510p as its just a refreshed y500, same thing can be said for the 650m/750m/755m they are just all different clock/memory speeds which can be unlocked with a bios flash. Plus ivy bridge equipped systems tended to run cooler than the haswell counterparts.

If you find an 860m 4gb then jump on that

I used to have a review of the laptop but after ocn started hijacking threads I deleted it.
Edited by TheReciever - 10/5/16 at 9:15am
    
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Seems like they can be found for around the same price and if it's just a little bit more, might as well get the newer option with slightly better performance.

Sent the seller an offer on this:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/182301403329?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

If I can get it for around $450, I'll be happy and bring that home.

Already has an i7 4700QM (though I'm still bidding on 4800 and 4810QMs right now), SLI 750Ms, 16GB RAM, etc., so I'd be happy leaving it completely as-is. For saving $200 over the MSI GL62, I'd be happy with it.
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post #20 of 20
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So, to bring back this indecisiveness yet again:

Current options are, from least to most expensive:

Lenovo Y510p w/ i5 4XXXMQ, GT 750M 2GB x2 ~$400
Lenovo Y510p w/ i7 4700MQ, GT 750M 2GB x2 ~$450
Dell i7559 w/ i5 6300HQ, GTX 960M 4GB ~$500
MSI GL62 w/ i5 6300HQ, GTX 960M 2GB $650
Razer Blade 14 (2014) w/ i7 4702HQ, GTX 870M 3GB ~$750


I kind of despise Dell and their horrible quality, but they're giving somewhat the best value right now with being able to get the i7559 for ~$500 used. The MSI GL62 looks like a much nicer unit, but only comes with the 2GB 960M, which I'm not sure if it'll actually be a problem at only 1080p in average games or not, and it's more expensive when I haven't been able to find one used.

The Razer Blade is obviously going to be the best performing unit when it comes to gaming, but it asks the highest price when I'm not sure if I really need it.

And then back down to the Y510p which still performs well but still have to deal with SLI and basically the worst performance of the bunch.
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