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[3dcenter] How nVidias GeForce 2000 Series (Pascal Refresh) might look

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#1 ·
Here is an article by 3dcenter in german. Using a translator of course and inferring from it, you get a good idea of what's being said. Makes comparisons to previous refreshes with fermi and kepler and how maxwell was an exception to that rule, and of course a pascal refresh. The name for it is rumored to be Geforce 2000 Series, or Geforce "20" Series, rather than Geforce 1100 series. Interestingly, a 2080 Ti is noted here, so its possible that the 1080 ti is on the way, but possibly coming in the pascal refresh. Also makes mention that volta could still be launched on the 10nm mode in 2018.

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Longer time was primarily about speculates that by nVidia Pascal in the 14 / 16nm manufacturing directly the generation Volta should begin generation in 10nm manufacturing. This is also not at all wrong, nVidias various roadmaps give exactly this direction. But something was forgotten here, which nVidia also usually not mentioned on its roadmaps: Normally used in nVidia in the younger to middle past a graphics chip series always for two graphics card series. This has already been perfectly lead by example in the chip generations "Fermi" with the resulting graphics cards series GeForce 400 & 500 and below in " Kepler " with the resulting graphics cards series GeForce 600 & 700. But the chip generation " Maxwell " (GeForce 900 series) was an exception here - but which can justify even from himself, the nVidia had driven with this the 28nm manufacturing to extremes and therefore simply was not a great place more for a second, of course, more powerful graphics card series.
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#2 ·
As much of a rumor as that is.. It makes sense.
Nvidia milking us again.
Every aspect of his supposed 2000 series card makes 100% sense and there will be great numbers sold of each and every one of those cards.
The full chip Titan Black idea is quite nice. At $1200 its going to sell better than the XP just because its the only full chip in the 1000/2000 lineup. Scary how much the 1080 and 2080 are cut back. only 1/3 of the chip left really.
 
#11 ·
They used to have predictable products with predictable release dates with predictable prices:

Full flagship gx100 ---> ~1 year after previous release ---> $499

Now we're dealing with completely unpredictable products launching at unpredictable times with unpredictable prices. It's the worst thing a customer could ask for.

$700 for a chip that used to cost $229? 3 months later a $1200 chip that used to cost $329. 5 months later a refresh of the current stuff which alienates the people who just purchased these products.

They have no competition and the 10 series was a test to see how much they could jack up prices.
 
#12 ·
AMD set the bar pretty low with the 3xx series, so Nvidia is going to get away with this.

However, i expect rebrands and refreshes from both companies because the r and D cost from 14nm finfet is more than double vs 28nm.

Hopefully we are getting big price drops across the board with this refresh. Not price increases like the 390/390x.
 
#13 ·
I think passing up Pascal Titan X's and holding onto Maxwell Titan X's was a wise move of mine. It's crazy how fast Pascal cards are being rushed out and superseeding models that are barely a few months old.

I definately will be buying the refreshed line though.
 
#14 ·
many people saying that nvidia is screwing its users by these practices, however that doesn't make sense because the video cards are selling and doing pretty well

if the users felt screwed over, they would not purchase their products any more right? right.

why is nvidia doing this? because people are buying them, plain and simple

in my personal opinion i think nvidia is doing a good smart thing.

i thought volta was launching Q2 2017 or sometime in 2017, guess i'm wrong

but a pascal refresh for Q1 2017 makes sense to battle it out with Vega launching at the same time
 
#15 ·
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Originally Posted by HugoStiglitz96 View Post

Price cut the 1080 to 450$,1070 to 300$ and 1060 to 200$ then launch this at 650-700$
Keep dreaming.

Not impossible, next summer/Autumn, with new updated Pascal gtx 2070, gtx 2080 or whatever.

I feel responsible for this rumor. But then the internet is large, it is probably from some other random dude
:o
 
#16 ·
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Originally Posted by tajoh111 View Post

AMD set the bar pretty low with the 3xx series, so Nvidia is going to get away with this.

However, i expect rebrands and refreshes from both companies because the r and D cost from 14nm finfet is more than double vs 28nm.

Hopefully we are getting big price drops across the board with this refresh. Not price increases like the 390/390x.
I don't see any "big price drops in our future" from either AMD or Nvidia? I expect AMD to price "accordingly" for the medium consumer range of GPU's, and Nvidia to do the same across all ranges, and charge 35% extra for the high end.

Due to the cost associated, NVidia passes them straight along to us in every case as we've seen. I see no reason they would change course and eat those costs and take less profit. While I wish it otherwise, we've seen nothing that leads us to believe it will occur.
 
#21 ·
Somewhere in nVidia's HQ....
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Analyst:
It seems that our sales are lower than expected, it seems that people still keep their 900 series cards.

Jen Hsun:
Just stop the optimisation and they will move to the new cards.

Analyst:
How the hell will we justify EOL for 9xx series, when it's only one generation behind???

Jen Hsun:
I got this!!!!
 
#22 ·
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Originally Posted by xzamples View Post

many people saying that nvidia is screwing its users by these practices, however that doesn't make sense because the video cards are selling and doing pretty well

if the users felt screwed over, they would not purchase their products any more right? right.

why is nvidia doing this? because people are buying them, plain and simple

in my personal opinion i think nvidia is doing a good smart thing.

i thought volta was launching Q2 2017 or sometime in 2017, guess i'm wrong

but a pascal refresh for Q1 2017 makes sense to battle it out with Vega launching at the same time
Sadly you aren't wrong. :\
 
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