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Unfortunately yes, but that's how you can improve performance even further. imagine if a card can reach 60 on just graphics, what can it do if we add compute too? maybe 70-80 ? for free. because those extra 10-20 fps are already there but wasted. because lack of 1 extra feature. it's nice that Nvidia gain such high performance without true hw gfx+c. but one day they will need to adapt it if they want more performance. again don't take this as nv vs amd thing, i can't really give you examples without using nvidia's gpus because that's the reality here.

Also this is a variable only because one vendor lacks full support atm, once they support it fully this variable will be automatically removed. ( imo)

Lol ppl are crazy senstive, those are only gpus. Let's call a spade a spade. If nvidia's 1060 could do async shaders it'd smash 480 in dx12 too. Too bad it can't tho, so joke's on them. 480 is gonna continue to close the gap, Pascal is kinda "spent" already. If you ask me, that's a good thing tho.But I upgrade the GPU every 12 months or so.
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Lol ppl are crazy senstive, those are only gpus. Let's call a spade a spade. If nvidia's 1060 could do async shaders it'd smash 480 in dx12 too. Too bad it can't tho, so joke's on them. 480 is gonna continue to close the gap, Pascal is kinda "spent" already. If you ask me, that's a good thing tho.But I upgrade the GPU every 12 months or so.
I know, just didn't want to start another useless this vs that fight. ( not from you but you get the point tongue.gif).

yep, if you use gpus for only 12 months than only current performance matters ( it should be imo) , not features because most of the time those features are used after 2 or 3 generation when first gen card doesn't have competitive performance anymore. too little too late kinda thing.
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Nvidia has adopted a gpu strategy that mirrors the updating that phones & TV get every year.

The only phone I've got is 10 years old and my TV is barely any newer!

When this phone craps out, I'm going back to my CB radio.
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I'm more confused as to why they'd go from 1000 to 2000 naming scheme after following the 100,200,300,400......900 scheme for so long, shouldn't the next "80" card be a 1180, not a 2080?

guess it doesn't really matter that much, i guess it just means they get to 5 digit cards faster! Zomg 10080!!

It's just marketing jargon.

I've been using both ATI/AMD and NVIDIA cards since long before there was a GeForce or Radeon, and it's been quite a roller-coaster ride of arbitrary and largely nonsensical naming conventions.
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If nvidia's 1060 could do async shaders it'd smash 480 in dx12 too.

Async compute wouldn't help Maxwell or Pascal anywhere near as much as it does GCN.

As you say, NVIDIA's architectures don't have enough underutilized potential.
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When this phone craps out, I'm going back to my CB radio.
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As you say, NVIDIA's architectures don't have enough underutilized potential.
Well I don't know if I meant that at the time of writing, but it looks like a good the bottom line of what I was trying it say.
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They used to have predictable products with predictable release dates with predictable prices:

Full flagship gx100 ---> ~1 year after previous release ---> $499


Now we're dealing with completely unpredictable products launching at unpredictable times with unpredictable prices. It's the worst thing a customer could ask for.

$700 for a chip that used to cost $229? 3 months later a $1200 chip that used to cost $329. 5 months later a refresh of the current stuff which alienates the people who just purchased these products.

They have no competition and the 10 series was a test to see how much they could jack up prices.
yeah.Just MONOPOLY.
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I have a more plausible prediction, if Geforce 2000 did exist.


Titan P (Black) - 3840 cores, 24GB GDDR5X @ 576 GB/s, $1200 (Micron 12 gpbs)


GTX 2080 Ti - 3584 cores, 12GB GDDR5X @ 528 GB/s, $799-$899 (Micron 11 gpbs)
GTX 2080 - 3328 cores, 12GB GDDR5X @ 480 GB/s $599-$699 (Micron 10 gpbs)
GTX 2070 - 2560 cores, 8GB GDDR5X @ 384 GB/s $379-$449 (Micron 12 gpbs)
GTX 2060 Ti - 2048 cores, 8GB GDDR5X @ 320 GB/s $299-$349 (Micron 10 gpbs)
GTX 2060 - 1920 cores 8GB GDDR5 @ 256GB/s $199-$249
GTX 2050 Ti - 1280 cores 6GB GDDR5 @ 192GB/s $149-$179



Its so easy to lineup a entire refresh... life of a consumer is sad when there is no competition. Volta wont be coming till 2018 in that case.


P.S: Micron offer up to 3 different type of G5X, with the fastest at 12 gbps and slowest at 10gbps respectively
Probabaly, but prices will be much higher.You know its Ngreedia.
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They're running out of numbers...

They'll just roll the odometer over and stick a different consonant before and/or after it.
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I have a more plausible prediction, if Geforce 2000 did exist.


Titan P (Black) - 3840 cores, 24GB GDDR5X @ 576 GB/s, $1200 (Micron 12 gpbs)


GTX 2080 Ti - 3584 cores, 12GB GDDR5X @ 528 GB/s, $799-$899 (Micron 11 gpbs)
GTX 2080 - 3328 cores, 12GB GDDR5X @ 480 GB/s $599-$699 (Micron 10 gpbs)
GTX 2070 - 2560 cores, 8GB GDDR5X @ 384 GB/s $379-$449 (Micron 12 gpbs)
GTX 2060 Ti - 2048 cores, 8GB GDDR5X @ 320 GB/s $299-$349 (Micron 10 gpbs)
GTX 2060 - 1920 cores 8GB GDDR5 @ 256GB/s $199-$249
GTX 2050 Ti - 1280 cores 6GB GDDR5 @ 192GB/s $149-$179



Its so easy to lineup a entire refresh... life of a consumer is sad when there is no competition. Volta wont be coming till 2018 in that case.


P.S: Micron offer up to 3 different type of G5X, with the fastest at 12 gbps and slowest at 10gbps respectively

I'd replace my 1080 with 2080 if that was the case. Should outpace TXP even with 3328sp only if they manage higher clocks on the refresh, so another 30% faster than my 1080. Or maybe just buy a second 1080 if they drop the price to $400, 1080 FE SLI looks sick with the new bridge and would be enough to last till CP2077 comes out.
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I'd replace my 1080 with 2080 if that was the case. Should outpace TXP even with 3328sp only if they manage higher clocks on the refresh, so another 30% faster than my 1080. Or maybe just buy a second 1080 if they drop the price to $400, 1080 FE SLI looks sick with the new bridge and would be enough to last till CP2077 comes out.

That is a very optimistic senarios, judging from the lack of competition it might very well refresh with the same chip but just higher speed:

Gtx 2080 = 1080 with higher speed etc

It will work out well and ppl will still rush to buy.


They might even come out with a 12/24 gb titan version, 24 for reference with neural computation and 12 for aib version but no computation. At $1200/1000 respectively. The combination are endless. They are the monopoly, they can do anything.
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