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I think the discussion would benefit from distinguishing between latency and refresh frequency.
There are components of the monitor refresh cycle: raster duration and pixel transitive duration. It is a bad illustration referring to refresh rate because it happens according to the monitor scaler's raster update cycle; G-Sync improves on that. G-Sync always rasters at equal frequency to the highest refresh rate supported by the monitor. Therefore it doesn't magnify an already present gpu latency with extra scaler latency. FreeSync is deficient in this regard, however for two reasons;
  1. the disparity narrows down at near maximum refresh rate,
  2. G-Sync experience can 'still' be choppy if the gpu latency is not consistent - this does not matter.
So, that leaves us with better gpu solutions as a subsidiary to the scaler solutions for low input lag.
Now, there is no gpu that can decidedly overcome 144Hz. Look here: [Source]
The performance just isn't there for consistent performance. What is worse: these are "average" levels of frame rates; any stray latency spike will still compound the issue eventhough any of these titles satisfies overall 'average 144Hz' requirement. Latency ordinated reviews are still up in the air.
Beyond that - shifting goalpoint question - about which VRR solution is best, the alternative is strobing and in a big way. Any person prompted by latency response should consider a decent strobed monitor above all else. Continuous backlight illumination creates a negative afterimage tiring out retinal sensory receptors(rhodopsin depletion takes energy to replenish) while strobed illumination(like blinking) increases visual acuteness, but causes eye strain if strobe interval is too slow. Therefore, the best solution is hands down the one that doesn't lower your optic perceptiveness: strobing.
VRR has had a patch start, but strobing has been smooth sailing ever since it has been implemented which is not a surprise as CRTs had been the king of the hill before then.
Besides, Post #198. All these technologies are more or less within a frame of reference to current conventions. Nothing extraordinary.
Edited by mtcn77 - 10/6/16 at 12:46am
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GSYNC is just awesome, it's an incredible confort for the eyes.
I am pretty sure it's clearly overpriced by nvidia though, that's huge confort but technology-wise I don't get why this is so expensiv.
This beeing said I wouldnt buy any monitor without it from now.
I'm buying a freesync monitor, and then ditch my GTX 980 for the upcoming AMD's. It's just disgusting how nvidia doesn't go for an open standard.
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I'm buying a freesync monitor, and then ditch my GTX 980 for the upcoming AMD's. It's just disgusting how nvidia doesn't go for an open standard.
Hey, don't blame Nvidia for it. VRR is a transition.
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I don't understand why people suggest VG248QE. It's one of the worst 144hz monitors out there. I know that TN's can't produce good colors, but that monitor goes lowest it can go.
I've read many comments about it and personally tried it and it's awful. So yesterday i took LG 24GM77 and that monitor blows it completely out of the water. I'm still not sure if i will keep it since it TN, but even for TN it has quite good color reproduction.

So my vote goes to LG24GM77. I wanted to get PG248Q, but it's too expensive for a 24" TN monitor. If you have the money, you could always wait a little longer for C24FG70.
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I don't understand why people suggest VG248QE. It's one of the worst 144hz monitors out there. I know that TN's can't produce good colors, but that monitor goes lowest it can go.
I've read many comments about it and personally tried it and it's awful. So yesterday i took LG 24GM77 and that monitor blows it completely out of the water. I'm still not sure if i will keep it since it TN, but even for TN it has quite good color reproduction.

So my vote goes to LG24GM77. I wanted to get PG248Q, but it's too expensive for a 24" TN monitor. If you have the money, you could always wait a little longer for C24FG70.

I think VG248QE is recommended for pure speed from a gamer's point of view.


PG248Q is not much more than the Benq XL2430 and it has G-Sync as an added cost and benefits.

LG 24GM77 seems like a good budget option.
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I'm buying a freesync monitor, and then ditch my GTX 980 for the upcoming AMD's. It's just disgusting how nvidia doesn't go for an open standard.

Nvidia is a hardware solution, I believe much better option than the AMD's freesync. As they say you get what you pay for.
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Originally Posted by mtcn77 View Post

I think the discussion would benefit from distinguishing between latency and refresh frequency.
There are components of the monitor refresh cycle: raster duration and pixel transitive duration. It is a bad illustration referring to refresh rate because it happens according to the monitor scaler's raster update cycle;.

Thank you for the detailed answer, but very technical answer and hard to grasp because of my lack of understanding of such technical terms. It will be very helpful if you can explain in layman's terms.
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Thank you for the detailed answer, but very technical answer and hard to grasp because of my lack of understanding of such technical terms. It will be very helpful if you can explain in layman's terms.
My apologies.
Should you go Nvidia, you cannot go back at AMD. The G-Sync module does not allow that, eventhough having a ULMB mode which is run mutually exclusive to the G-Sync VRR which itself is exclusive to Nvidia.
FreeSync leaves that cross-vendor option open. You can use AMD gpu with either feature; FreeSync VRR, or brand-native strobing. Since the strobing feature is not inherent to FreeSync, you can use these monitors with Nvidia gpu in their featured light-strobed mode, too.
The rest is my digression about how strobe>vrr according to myself.
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I'd go for the LG 24GM77 tbh, seems to be the best way to go based on what you're looking for.

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/PK8H99/lg-monitor-24gm77
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I'd go for the LG 24GM77 tbh, seems to be the best way to go based on what you're looking for.

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/PK8H99/lg-monitor-24gm77

OK, thank you, I am considering this one.
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My apologies.
Should you go Nvidia, you cannot go back at AMD. The G-Sync module does not allow that, eventhough having a ULMB mode which is run mutually exclusive to the G-Sync VRR which itself is exclusive to Nvidia.
FreeSync leaves that cross-vendor option open. You can use AMD gpu with either feature; FreeSync VRR, or brand-native strobing. Since the strobing feature is not inherent to FreeSync, you can use these monitors with Nvidia gpu in their featured light-strobed mode, too.
The rest is my digression about how strobe>vrr according to myself.

Thank you very much. My son already has an Nvidia GPU so that makes the decision a littler easier as to what the options are.
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