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Even bringing up a smartphone camera in this thread is an insult to any true photographer, amateur or pro. I bought a Nikon 750D with 4 lenses(macro being my passion, paid highest for a great Sigma) last year and it set my back over 8K. Did I need it? No, not really, but I will never look at photo's the same again. Don't get me wrong, phones do a great job of taking pictures to put up on Facebook and other quickie type images and some are pretty impressive considering the lens size. But if you really love photography, those just don't cut it. You put the same pictures side by side taken by someone that has at least minimal knowledge on how to use a pro/prosumer camera and it's instantly noticeable why these camera and lenses exist and cost so much.
I dove in head first with no knowledge and it has taken me a full year to just understand all the terminology and get used to taking it off of the dreaded "Auto" mode, heh. But after I learned just some very simple tricks and tips from a friend (she is a true pro, owns her own studio, has some impressive magazine spreads and awards under her belt, all at the age of 35) I was amazed at what a good lens allowed me to produce. I am hooked and yeah I can't help but get snobbish when it comes to pictures, especially ones from a smartphone. I fell into the crazy world of prosumer photography and I can never unsee just how terrible your average picture is from a phone. And I'm not even remotely good yet with my setup. Most people won't understand and that is OK. Crazy expensive equipment isn't for everyone and you really, really have to love pictures to put that kind of investment into it.

It's not about quality or price. It's about convenience and on the stop photography. You never even take a Point and Shoot with you anymore if you have a good smartphone. Taking DSLR out with you is to take photos purposely.
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People bringing up "phones are good enough" don't seem to understand that there's still a substantial market for ILCs (Mirrorless and DSLRs) and it will stay that way. The smartphone may have democratized digital photography, but for professional and creative work, nothing will beat a dedicated camera - and those in the profession will keep on using one. Some key genres include:

- Sports
- Portrait/film
- Journalism
- Product/interior
- Wildlife
- Landscape/cityscape
- Hobby/artistry

You simply can't say phones can replace DSLRs and mirrorless cameras on those fronts.
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People bringing up "phones are good enough" don't seem to understand that there's still a substantial market for ILCs (Mirrorless and DSLRs) and it will stay that way. The smartphone may have democratized digital photography, but for professional and creative work, nothing will beat a dedicated camera - and those in the profession will keep on using one. Some key genres include:

- Sports
- Portrait/film
- Journalism
- Product/interior
- Wildlife
- Landscape/cityscape
- Hobby/artistry

You simply can't say phones can replace DSLRs and mirrorless cameras on those fronts.

As a profession yes but at some point people with no interest in cameras where buying DLSRs to get decent photo quality.
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People bringing up "phones are good enough" don't seem to understand that there's still a substantial market for ILCs (Mirrorless and DSLRs) and it will stay that way. The smartphone may have democratized digital photography, but for professional and creative work, nothing will beat a dedicated camera - and those in the profession will keep on using one. Some key genres include:

- Sports
- Portrait/film
- Journalism
- Product/interior
- Wildlife
- Landscape/cityscape
- Hobby/artistry

You simply can't say phones can replace DSLRs and mirrorless cameras on those fronts.

Actually it can and it very well might. Computational photography might very well make most big sensor big lens ILC/DSLRs obsolete. The light L16 is essentially cobbled together from cellphone camera sensors which as a proof of concept, appears to be quite compeling. The tech is already starting to filter down to high end consumer cellphones as well.

might even be possible to get cameras without lenses! (see: http://techland.time.com/2013/06/03/finally-a-camera-without-a-lens-and-a-sensor-the-size-of-a-pixel/)
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Actually it can and it very well might. Computational photography might very well make most big sensor big lens ILC/DSLRs obsolete. The light L16 is essentially cobbled together from cellphone camera sensors which as a proof of concept, appears to be quite compeling. The tech is already starting to filter down to high end consumer cellphones as well.

might even be possible to get cameras without lenses! (see: http://techland.time.com/2013/06/03/finally-a-camera-without-a-lens-and-a-sensor-the-size-of-a-pixel/)

If you take Galaxy S7 camera right now and sent int back in time 10 year ago people would say there is magic going on inside the device because it's not possible to get that image with that small sensor and that little glass.
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Actually it can and it very well might. Computational photography might very well make most big sensor big lens ILC/DSLRs obsolete. The light L16 is essentially cobbled together from cellphone camera sensors which as a proof of concept, appears to be quite compeling. The tech is already starting to filter down to high end consumer cellphones as well.

might even be possible to get cameras without lenses! (see: http://techland.time.com/2013/06/03/finally-a-camera-without-a-lens-and-a-sensor-the-size-of-a-pixel/)

We've yet to see developments and actual prototypes so that's still up in the air. We'll see what the Light L16 does when it comes.

And don't forget that the sensor/lens aren't the only things good about cameras. The form factor, ergonomics, and the presence of a viewfinder make ILCs better to use in extended periods versus doting at the big screen on phones. Sure you can strap modular components to make the ergo similar to cameras, but at that point you're spending more money on that system in trying to emulate the form factor of a traditional camera.

And don't forget that medium format is actually on the rise, alongside monster 4K/6K video cams like the RED. Can't wait to see if Sony will have its own MF sensor camera like what Fuji did on its prototype GFX 50S.
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If you take Galaxy S7 camera right now and sent int back in time 10 year ago people would say there is magic going on inside the device because it's not possible to get that image with that small sensor and that little glass.

I wouldn't doubt that, smartphone camera sensors are getting incredibly advanced and are already superseding the quality of older dedicated equivalents. However, they still struggle with some key areas such as low light (small sensors = bad), bokeh (remember the gimmicky focus after-the-fact tricks? yeah those sucked compared to real DOF), range (most phone cameras are wide angle, impossible to do telephoto) and autofocus (try to take pictures of unwieldy kids) - factors that ILCs are still significantly ahead.

ANYWAY, this is about the Sony A6500 and RX100 V. Maybe we should focus on them :v

I like how Sony (finally) added IBIS, secondary dial, and touchscreen focus on the A6500, it makes for a prime candidate for adapted glass as well as some E-Mount lenses that don't have internal AF. Now people can have a wide range of options for the A6000 series across price brackets. Might even push the price of the A6300 down to sub-$1000 once this hits the market.
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Phone camera's have advanced to such a level that most people have no need for a separate either point and shoot or DSLR.

 

I use my phone's camera the most but when I need to take good photos there is no way my phone's tiny sensor can compare with this:

 

 

This is with a several years old entry level camera (Canon SX510HS). The day smart phones can take such incredible photos is the day I get an even better camera.

 

The moon is amazingly beautiful.

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I liked my RX-100 Mark 1. It's in my opinion the best large sensor compact for people that shoot auto.

Unfortunately, if you like to shoot manual it's actually a really annoying camera. Back when I had it, I preferred to carry my Nikon P340 due to shutter speed, aperture, and ISO all being physical dials.

Currently shooting an A5000 with a handful of primes. I was planning to upgrade to the A6300, but maybe I'll wait. I don't quite have to upgrade yet, anyway.

Cell phone camera sensors are too small. Even the phones that advertise low-light performance are grainy and pushing too much ISO. For hiking and landscape photography a cell phone camera doesn't cut the mustard. Not to mention all the extra work you have to do in post...on a jpeg.
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Can a smartphone stop a 325mph top fuel dragster on the move like my trusty Canon 40D? this was from up in the bleachers with a 100mm-400mm lens.
you can even see the flames from the exhaust and the heat waves it is creating.
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