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I actually think that a mirrorless camera now is the way to go rather than an entry level DSLR, if you're not going to buy more lenses for that DSLR.

If you move up an know you want the range of lenses offered by DSLRs, or a specific need like the focusing speed, then DSLR is the way to go, but for 'entry level' I think you'll get better performance for an equivalently priced mirrorless

Yeah. My friend want a entry level and it was either the T5i or G7 ands told him to get the G7. We was never going to buy glass either way.
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The M43 sensor is also probably the least technologically advanced one out of all the major ones (1", M4/3, APSC, FF, MF). The M43 sensor is about double the size of the 1" sensor and yet it is barely one stop better in performance.
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I still say that if someone is interested in photography, the lowest end SLR is the best camera you can get.
Canon's T5 or Nikon's D3200 can be found for around $300 right now and "artistically" speaking they'll do 90% of what any other high end body will do. The low end bodies are surprisingly well supported.
Wi-fi might be the biggest advancement in recent years, giving the ability to shoot remotely and download images on the fly, but outside of some convenience the results off of the least expensive bodies will be almost identical.

Everything beyond the baseline APS-C sensor is virtually indistinguishable once you reduce the image to fit on any screen that someone could possibly own today. High quality prints are basically the only application that could make significant use of improved image quality.


thank you...people often forget to look at the bigger picture and put things on perspective (puns not intended). Everyone should watch this (it's pretty comical too)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHYidejT3KY

as someone who moved from APS-C to FF i only made the jump because of better DoF and all the tech features are on the FF flagship. Apples to apples, image quality alone, the difference actually isn't drastic.

Though I'd argue people getting into photography should just jump straight to mirrorless and forget about DSLR. It's the future, might as embrace it unless you're pro needing AF for shooting NFL or the reach to shoot wildlife for nat geo.
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There are also no dual card slots. SD cards fail. They might not fail often but they eventually do fail. Paid professionals would have a hard time trusting their livelihood in just a single SD card. Battery life, battery life, battery life......the giant elephant in the room. All a6000 and a7 models share the same tiny pathetic battery. On my a7rii, I'm lucky to get around 300 to 350 shots which is within specs but I'm not a pro. Imagine being a pro carrying around 5 batteries just to get through a day's worth of shooting. Sure the batteries are small and then you have to charge those 5 batteries at night.

Sony really should have used a new body design for the a6500. If it's going to hold the title as the flagship apsc sony camera, it needs more pro level features. The Olympus EM1 MII is rumored to have dual card slots and the Fuji XT-2 already does. Most DSLRs in this price point have them too. Sony needs to step it up.

I'm eagerly awaiting the a7riii myself. I really need a touchscreen or joystick for faster AF point selection. I also demand better battery life. Oh and I really wouldn't mind dual card slots either. Perhaps some proper weather sealing too? I don't think that's too much to ask for a body that costs north of $3000 already.

Some people want it all.

You can't shred size and expect killer battery life. It's like expecting iphones to have flip phone battery life, that's just unrealistic.

Mirrorless first and foremost should be about being lightweight.a 7r II with batis 85 is already too heavy for my liking. Forget the G-Masters.

Until they can achieve equal AF performance to DSLR, battery life should be least of their priority. Don't forget that you can charge it via micro-USB and aftermarket batteries are $10 a pop. You want great battery life/write redundancy buy canikon.

I doubt a7 III series will change battery format. I don't even believe XQD will make it there. If you're a real professional, I think that's what the rumored a9 is targeting. a7 is prosumer.
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Many rich people own stuff that make no rational sense to those that cannot afford them. They just can afford the "irrationality". They are not "professionals" because they own "what you think is a professional tool". They just bought what they thought is the best tool, "cause they only buy the best".

Owning a 1DXx, a 5Dx,a A7Rx or a Axxx or any camera capable to satisfy the needs of a professional, doesn't make the camera a "professional tool" in itself, or your photos professional grade, much like owning a race car, doesn't make you a professional driver.

Professionalism is judged based on consistent results.
Claiming that he is a professional because he is making is living doing X for years = valid argument. Even if he/she is using a ****ty camera, or making ****ty paintings, the proof is in the pudding: he/she gets paid to do so, so someone things differently than you.

Professionalism is not based on owned equipment (he is a professional because he owns X = a joke). Yes, people "think" otherwise and get impressed by "the blink", but this is a superficial argument that any rational person can shoot down in a blink.
you're too hung up on the semantics. Most modern Sony Alphas are in Thailand, that alone makes me believe it's nothing but glorified mass-produced consumer products.
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The a6300 isn't being replaced with this new model. All 3 models will still be made and sold simultaneously. I do agree though that this could be upsetting to some people who purchased the a6300. They included features in the 6500 that easily could have been included in the 6300 just 8 months ago.

yep a6300 owners got shafted...6 months! One would've chosen 6300 over 6000 for video and IBIS is certainly a major feature. Even if a6300 will continue alongside the 6500 for $400 less, it's still a serious burn.

that said, a gimbal mounting the a6300 with latest FW addressing overheating is still the best value for video. a6000 $500ish is still king of value for still photos 2.5 years later. I don't see that changing anytime soon unless the new Xiaomi M1 MFT is released outside of China.
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I'm wondering what the A9 will bring. Rumors say it has that dual-pixel AF system that will rival the 1DX or D5, and a significantly better BSI sensor than the A7R II. Maybe a medium format lol

Also, us A7 series II folks will get the A6500 and A99II menu structure, about time Sony updated that.
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if they're gonna do a7R III, a9 has to be MF.
I hope they don't release the next a7R as the a9, that would be stooping down to nVidia's level mad.gif if I offend Titan X Pascal owners..too bad biggrin.gif

a7R III wishlist: 60MP, touchscreen, no rolling shutter, Super35 4K60 downsampled from 24MP thumb.gif
     
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Most people seem to be interest in Video right now. You are right about entry body DSLRs. They can take very good photos and you really have to look hard to tell the difference. Like many have said the problem is that DSLR need skill and they are big.
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I actually think that a mirrorless camera now is the way to go rather than an entry level DSLR, if you're not going to buy more lenses for that DSLR.

If you move up an know you want the range of lenses offered by DSLRs, or a specific need like the focusing speed, then DSLR is the way to go, but for 'entry level' I think you'll get better performance for an equivalently priced mirrorless

Ok, after looking it up, the A5100 at $450 looks like a great deal, Good AF, Wi-fi, lots of video features. That seems to be where Sony decided to stop kidding around with consumers on their mid-entry level products.

The interesting point is the stark contrast between the A5100 and A5000.
The less expensive A5000 with only contrast detect AF would be a definite no-go, so there's a limitation in your minimum price. You can get a great Mirrorless camera for "not a lot of money", but at the $300ish "clearance price" bracket you still have a huge discrepancy in capabilities.

The Mirrorless market as a whole is relatively young. The A5100 is probably amazing for the price, but the industry as a whole is lacking the uniformity in minimum performance standards that you get with CaNikon.
Edited by ILoveHighDPI - 10/7/16 at 7:50pm
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This is a dying breed- if not already dead- thanks to ever more powerful smartphone cameras.

Nope. That's like saying Gaming computers are a dying breed thanks to more powerful Tablets.
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a5100 is great for video and touchscreen and selfie screen is certainly nice...but no viewfinder means i'm writing it off.
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Smart phone are more than enough for 99% of the population.


This lol. Heck Id bet most professionals could use the iPhone or Galaxy for their professional work with just a little more editing needed and achieve some amazing shots.
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This lol. Heck Id bet most professionals could use the iPhone or Galaxy for their professional work with just a little more editing needed and achieve some amazing shots.

For everyday shots? Absolutely. Would I use a phone with my ebay sidejob? Probably not. Although their minimum requirements are (very) low, I've made sales based solely on picture quality. Its worth the investment in certain usage scenarios. Try selling designer clothing with low res photos. Its not fun, I speak from experience. biggrin.gif
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Ummm.....you can use adapters to mount practically any lens you want onto the Sony mirrorless cameras as well. M43 as a whole Olympus and Panasonic might have more market share than Sony but do keep in mind that Sony is actually number 3 in overall camera sales behind 1) Canon and 2) Nikon. Olympus' finances have been in the dog house for a while now. The M43 sensor is also probably the least technologically advanced one out of all the major ones (1", M4/3, APSC, FF, MF). The M43 sensor is about double the size of the 1" sensor and yet it is barely one stop better in performance. The EM5 mark I was released in 2012 and since then, there have been no major improvements in image quality in the world of M43. My gx7 and gm5 offer no noticeable improvements and sadly even the latest generation 20 MP Sony sensors made for M43 still don't offer any significant upgrade.

I'm deeply invested in M43 but I do fear for its future. The lacking image quality is what forced my hand into purchasing a full frame camera. The only companies that make sensors for M43 are Panasonic and Sony. Perhaps it's my tinfoil hat but I don't think Sony is going to be too eager to release an outstanding M43 sensor that directly competes with their own cameras that have 1" or APSC sensors.

My GX-85 is definitely not lacking in image quality. Full frame being superior is a myth. It really depends on how receptive a sensor is. Of course the current limitation of micro four thirds is 20.4 megapixels, but better stronger censors can be made more dense while keeping the censor size standard. The problem is when you buy a camera with the same censor you can not expect anything more than what the censor can provide.
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