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So you are saying that you condone people to do such damage, What makes it right to say OK lets cost our society millions, that it is OK to make problems because it puts others to work, plus the fact that some group of screwball politicians will pass more laws to tighten this from happening with the fact that we can loose far more freedoms to the internet then we have.

Sure it sounds right to allow my kids to hack? No way.. In short the ones that posses the understanding and skills to do such things are not OK to destroy in the name of gain.

It is like saying shooting people just because they exist, that maybe the military could use you as a sniper. Like driving at high speeds and maybe the race car circuit will make you the top driver.

No if the agencies were smart they would pluck folks with you thinking and lobotomize you. You are suppose to work your way into a position legally. not by threats or felonies acts.

In the end I guess the wheel would have never been invented.

Don't be stupid. He's making a relativistic argument that because of the duality of nature that everything is acceptable and necessary, and to follow his point, more appropriate if you charge money for whatever good or malfeasance you engage in (which stands to reason as the chaos caused had a monetary component).

As an example. His argument states that if he were to have sexually forced himself on his dog that would be for the greater good because it would balance the scales against the people that find that sort of thing offensive and inappropriate and if he charged other people to be complicit in this then he would be even more necessary and valid.
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Now who will stomp on the endless garbage paper spam in our post boxes? Leave it alone for a week and it gets DDoSed and is full.
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If it's done as a stress test it's fine, if it's done to cause harm maliciously there is a problem.

There's a problem with that line of thinking.

Lets imagine a world without DDos attacks. In the case no one would have to bother hardening their systems against it. Major companies would never, never, never bother spending the money on making better systems if they don't have to bother. So therefore all the bugs that have been fixed, all the network management tools which have been created to handle heavy loads, none of it would ever have happened.



Simplisticly, this goes to the idea that if everyone in the world were a pacifist, I could take over the world with a butter knife.
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There's a problem with that line of thinking.

Lets imagine a world without DDos attacks. In the case no one would have to bother hardening their systems against it. Major companies would never, never, never bother spending the money on making better systems if they don't have to bother. So therefore all the bugs that have been fixed, all the network management tools which have been created to handle heavy loads, none of it would ever have happened.



Simplisticly, this goes to the idea that if everyone in the world were a pacifist, I could take over the world with a butter knife.

I'm so glad they did a ddos on the BF1 servers so we couldn't play.

Top civic duty that.
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I'm so glad they did a ddos on the BF1 servers so we couldn't play.

Top civic duty that.


#firstworldproblems
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I don't know about that, pretty simplistic view you have there, we do need people like that.

There is no good without evil, and there is no progress without cause.
We need people like this in the world, they test the security and durability of systems which gives reason for better security and better preventative methods to be invented.

But you are right, once they get caught, throw the book at them. In some cases, when the hackers are actually talented, they get offered jobs preventing people like themselves getting access to other networks/systems and end up being a positive influence on things, which probably outweighs the negatives...


Let me put what he is saying in a more simplistic manner.

You have to have a reason in order for certain events or plans to happen.

If there are no reasons , then there are no ways to justify action without a past event that will dictate it (Events, Cause, Issue) as such.


It all goes back to the Yin and Yang... The whole nothing can exist without the other.
    
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#firstworldproblems

I live in the 1st world, so damn right its a problem for me.

I work hard, 8-4 every day so in my off time i can play some battlefield. Why should some oik who has no better life put me off.
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I don't know about that, pretty simplistic view you have there, we do need people like that.

There is no good without evil, and there is no progress without cause.
We need people like this in the world, they test the security and durability of systems which gives reason for better security and better preventative methods to be invented.

But you are right, once they get caught, throw the book at them. In some cases, when the hackers are actually talented, they get offered jobs preventing people like themselves getting access to other networks/systems and end up being a positive influence on things, which probably outweighs the negatives...

Actually there is no evil without good.
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Good riddance. We don't need people like this around. Anyone who attacks another and causes greater turmoil due to their own petty reasons deserves no less than the law coming down like a hammer.

Society crumbles once you think you've solved all the problems. Trust me, it's not as good as you think.
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There's a place in society for mostly everyone, if you try hard enough to make that place. It's part of the philosophy behind freedom and integration; lots of material on that.

A certain amount of malevolence must be allowed; possibly even encouraged if there's danger of certain types of knowledge being lost. It goes for more than just hackers, but hackers are a good example because they're like your average criminal.. except we understand how talented they can be compared to us.

If the US can't produce as many reliable hackers as the next nation over, they stand at a disadvantage. And imagine how hard it is, in America, to produce savagely brilliant hackers? It must be hard, when the corporate world is willing to offer intelligent programmers the world on a silver platter.

If the military intelligence agencies were smart, they'd encourage kids to target corporations because the skill level required is very, very high. And because corporations can take it, and keep raising the bar. They'd be getting quality recruits whom they could blackmail, but in all reality probably wouldn't need to; I'm sure hacking other countries for the good of their motherland sounds like a dream to these kids.

It'd be silly for the US to throw any of the good ones in jail. Maybe the untalented ones, but definitely not the good ones.


That's like encouraging people to go through parking lots slashing tires because it helps encourage tire companies to work hard to develop people who can make more knife-resistant tires.

Sure, it might work, and sure, the end result might be better in some abstract sense, but the actual results are short-term chaos for no real purpose.
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