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I think people are misinterpreting what I mean by encouragement. Not all encouragement is direct and informal. I was talking more about the kind of encouragement you give your dog while teaching it to perform a trick.

Corporations are a vacuum for the most talented people in a given population. As a military intelligence agency, it'd be largely beneficial to allow hackers to do their thing. It forces corporations to be realistic and self-sufficient, it breeds talented hackers who do it for more than just money.

Intelligence agencies don't need to encourage hackers directly or informally in public. The can do it by ignoring rising stars. They can do it by joining their online communities and speaking directly to them with an alias. I mean, it's not hard to control these types of situations and extract some kind of universally beneficial outcome for society.

Most delinquents have skills that they cannot apply. It's not offensive to consider molding them into a militaristic lifestyle rather than just throwing then in jail. It's obvious that some of the more talented hackers are motivated by greater things than money or recognition. Some of them have refined it into an art.

With such wealth disparity and injustice for middle-lower class people in a highly populated country, you can't expect naturally gifted people to go to University and find their talent and somehow find themselves ready to be a dedicated NSA agent.

Most naturally gifted people will never stick with school, never go at the same pace as their peers. They'll likely find teachers who suit them, online. They'll get caught up with their community of people who share their niche interest of hacking. Why shouldn't there be intelligence agents out fishing for this type of lost talent that inevitably emerges from big first world populations? And why not plant some seeds to maybe glorify hacking if the supply of good hackers is worryingly low and you're having trouble competing with other nations?

And Oxford won't always want the brilliant troubled kid from the bad part of town. Talent gets lost sometimes but they don't stop being talented. The Internet allows any dedicated person to educate themselves relentlessly.

So again I see no problem with the implications of what I suggested. Intelligence agencies would be smart to harvest vigilante hackers and they might be smart to let them grow before that harvest. If necessary, planting the seeds may even be a good idea.

They're in it for the money. The last thing you want in a government agency or a business is someone who will drop their loyalty in a heartbeat over a bigger score.

Referring to the second source in OP post:
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Buchta, who used the online screen names “@fbiarelosers,” “pein,” “xotehpoodle” and “lizard,” and van Rooy, who used the names “Uchiha,” “@UchihaLS,” “dragon” and “fox,” also conspired with other members of Lizard Squad to operate websites that provided cyber-attack-for-hire services, facilitating thousands of denial-of-service attacks, and to traffic stolen payment card account information for thousands of victims, according to the complaint.

It remains to be seen just how much was stolen. We'll find out in a court setting soon enough.
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They're in it for the money. The last thing you want in a government agency or a business is someone who will drop their loyalty in a heartbeat over a bigger score.
That's an assumption of uniformity. Not a very compelling counter-argument.
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That's an assumption of uniformity. Not a very compelling counter-argument.

'DDoS for hire' says otherwise.

You want either of these guys working for you, go right ahead. Just don't be surprised when they rob you blind.
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They may learn a new definition for "lizard squad" in prison.
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'DDoS for hire' says otherwise.

You want either of these guys working for you, go right ahead. Just don't be surprised when they rob you blind.
You're generalizing.
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You're generalizing.

I'll remember that once both are convicted lachen.gif
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That's an assumption of uniformity. Not a very compelling counter-argument.
https://www.justice.gov/usao-ndil/pr/american-and-dutch-teenagers-arrested-criminal-charges-allegedly-operating

Yeah,completely not for the money. rolleyes.gif
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If you look back, I was talking about nuances of hacking as a whole in response to one person who mentioned that sometimes these people are recruited to intelligence agencies.

You're trying to use individual examples of greed-motivated, convicted hackers as proof of uniformity and then you want to use that to discredit what I was saying. Generalization is not a counter-point, I'm sorry. I never made a claim of uniformity, you're misinterpreting and countering your own misinterpretation.
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If you look back, I was talking about nuances of hacking as a whole in response to one person who mentioned that sometimes these people are recruited to intelligence agencies.

You're trying to use individual examples of greed-motivated, convicted hackers as proof of uniformity and then you want to use that to discredit what I was saying. Generalization is not a counter-point, I'm sorry. I never made a claim of uniformity, you're misinterpreting and countering your own misinterpretation.

The funniest part is that the defense will use your very argument in an attempt to distract from the deeds that took place.

Theft occurred. We know what was stolen. We don't know how much.

With the notoriety these two have gained, neither will be hired before or after conviction and sentencing. No sane agency will touch that. BTW: a felony conviction will disqualify either of these guys from working for any federal agency.
Edited by lombardsoup - 10/7/16 at 5:46pm
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Everyone has their views on it but

if i'm off work at the weekend and i want to play a game but servers are down because a kiddy can install tails and run a few scripts

then i can't really think to myself "wow these guys are real heros in the cyber age"

hope they get banned from using the internet for a minimum of 1 year and closely watched by their government for the next 3-5 years.
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