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The funniest part is that the defense will use your very argument in an attempt to distract from the deeds that took place.

Theft occurred. We know what was stolen. We don't know how much.

With the notoriety these two have gained, neither will be hired before or after conviction and sentencing. No sane agency will touch that. BTW: a felony conviction will disqualify either of these guys from working for any federal agency.

You are talking about something entirely different than I ever was. I was enjoying some far off speculation related to what someone else said; that hackers sometimes get hired by intelligence agencies and this can in some rare cases be of enormous benefit to the country, to a point that makes you wonder if it's worth cultivating these inevitable gems in an intelligent and controlled way.

If you think these scrubs in the original post could win in court by arguing my argument, you're out to lunch. And even if, by some bizzarro world chance, you were right.. you'd still be wrong for making it about me. This is the problem with injecting yourself into a string of comments without going back, reading, and understanding them in full context. You're trying to demonize me, as if I'm condoning these things by mere utterance? Big pile of nope, right there.

You took me out of context and now you're reaching far to save yourself the embarrassment of retracting a pointless attack against me, personally. Just give up; you're wrong.
Edited by Mookster - 10/7/16 at 8:30pm
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You are talking about something entirely different than I ever was. I was enjoying some far off speculation related to what someone else said; that hackers sometimes get hired by intelligence agencies and this can in some rare cases be of enormous benefit to the country, to a point that makes you wonder if it's worth cultivating these inevitable gems in an intelligent and controlled way.

If you think these scrubs in the original post could win by arguing that argument in court, you're out to lunch. This is the problem with injecting yourself into a string of comments without going back and understanding them in full context. You're trying to demonize me, as if I'm condoning these things by mere utterance? Big pile of nope, right there. You're took me out of context and now you're reaching far to save yourself the embarrassment of retracting a pointless attack against me, personally. Just give up; you're wrong.

When you apply for any government job, you're subject to a series of background checks. Any discrepancy or leanings toward less than legal behavior, particularly in criminal history, and you're done. If you think any hacker can just waltz in to the FBI/NSA and land a job, that's not how it works.
post #53 of 65
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When you apply for any government job, you're subject to a series of background checks. Any discrepancy or leanings toward less than legal behavior, particularly in criminal history, and you're done. If you think any hacker can just waltz in to the FBI/NSA and land a job, that's not how it works.
Maybe you'd right about that, but you realize you said nothing like that in any of your responses to me right? You could have just made that counter-point from the start and guess what? I'd say "yes that's obviously something they'd need to consider" and then I'd say "but how can any of us really know about their recruitment process, especially when war requires even the most honorable nations to do deplorable deeds."

A person with an addiction to the advancement of the thing they're good at? I understand that, and I can emphasize with anyone who's desperate to put their talents to use in this world. Hacking might seem malevolent on it's surface, but malevolence isn't necessarily a driving factor for someone who does it. It's a skill that many start developing at a young age, perhaps angry over some injustice such as the futility of working their way through the public school system where they are undervalued and misunderstood. By the time they're older, it could be a labor of love; something they do because they're good at it. They need not be a horrible person at their core, and they need not be the type of hacker who sets out with an intention to break a consumer products. It could be someone who's genuinely just looking for the next big challenge.

This is the civil response you'd get if you had not rushed out the gates to attack my character this entire time. But, bringing up a good point now does not excuse the fact that you were slinging trash at me before. I have no problem conceding to the point that integrity is something you need to take seriously in those agencies and that could deter them from actively recruiting people like this. We do have historical precendent though, and it's an interesting subject to explore.. so your hostility is wholly unwarranted and you really should have realized that earlier in the conversation. This really didn't need to be the main theme of the thread.
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Maybe you'd right about that, but you realize you said nothing like that in any of your responses to me right? You could have just made that counter-point from the start and guess what? I'd say "yes that's obviously something they'd need to consider" and then I'd say "but how can any of us really know about their recruitment process, especially when war requires even the most honorable nations to do deplorable deeds."

A person with an addiction to the advancement of the thing they're good at? I understand that, and I can emphasize with anyone who's desperate to put their talents to use in this world. Hacking might seem malevolent on it's surface, but malevolence isn't necessarily a driving factor for someone who does it. It's a skill that many start developing at a young age, perhaps angry over some injustice such as the futility of working their way through the public school system where they are undervalued and misunderstood. By the time they're older, it could be a labor of love; something they do because they're good at it. They need not be a horrible person at their core, and they need not be the type of hacker who sets out with an intention to break a consumer products. It could be someone who's genuinely just looking for the next big challenge.

This is the civil response you'd get if you had not rushed out the gates to attack my character this entire time. But, bringing up a good point now does not excuse the fact that you were slinging trash at me before. I have no problem conceding to the point that integrity is something you need to take seriously in those agencies and that could deter them from actively recruiting people like this. We do have historical precendent though, and it's an interesting subject to explore.. so your hostility is wholly unwarranted and you really should have realized that earlier in the conversation. This really didn't need to be the main theme of the thread.

rolleyes.gif

If you want to work for the FBI/NSA, there are certain requirements you have to meet. One of them is being legally squeaky clean, as anything that can publicly damage either agency is a no no. Illicit activity like running a DDoS for hire business immediately raises red flags. The same logic applies to businesses. Ability is not the sole factor when hiring.
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If you want to work for the FBI/NSA, there are certain requirements you have to meet. One of them is being legally squeaky clean, as anything that can publicly damage either agency is a no no. Illicit activity like running a DDoS for hire business immediately raises red flags. The same logic applies to businesses. Ability is not the sole factor when hiring.
You sure love to deal in absolutes.

Fact is, this is a perfectly reasonable topic for speculation. Claiming some kind of authoritative knowledge in a matter like this is plain silly. That doesn't make it scary, it makes it interesting. But, whatever helps you sleep at night, I guess.
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You sure love to deal in absolutes.

Theft doesn't leave much room for grey, IMO

There is a legal precedent, actually. In 2015, Julius “zeekill” Kivimaki of lizard squad was convicted in Finland for 50,700 various criminal charges. While he did not go to prison (likely because he was 17 then), he is currently serving a suspended two year sentence (ie, limited activity and constant surveillance of any online activities).
Edited by lombardsoup - 10/7/16 at 9:40pm
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There is a legal precedent, actually. In 2015, Julius “zeekill” Kivimaki of lizard squad was convicted in Finland for 50,700 various criminal charges. While he did not go to prison (likely because he was 17 then), he is currently serving a suspended two year sentence (ie, limited activity and constant surveillance of any online activities).
I'm not going to keep responding to things like this. I never said there wasn't legal precedent of whatever you're trying to prove by saying this. You're so caught up in your own narrative that you aren't even reading what I'm saying, and it's causing you to act as though you're proving me wrong about things that have nothing to do with anything I said. You're also refusing to even try to illustrate whatever point you're trying to make, making it all even more baffling.

We can continue this conversation via PM if you want, but it's too petty to be the highlight of this thread.
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Yay! So it might be ok to start a Harcore Toon in Diablo 3 again.
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Here is the "master hacker" doing civil justice for us all

A fat bloke, with a terrible neckbeard who can't even leave home without a soft drink.


He looks just like this kid that lived across the street from me. Only with a beard now.
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No offence, but i'm fairly sure that national cyber defence agencies are probably a lot smarter than a random bloke commenting on a small computer forum.

I think encouraging people to attack corporations is that stupid in many ways.

You must be new here to attack Mook on a matter concerning abstract, free minded conjecture.

The guy has a handle on subjects others are not prepared to begin to comprehend or understand.
    
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