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He looks just like this kid that lived across the street from me. Only with a beard now.

You'd think by media descriptions of these people, that they would be frightening. Once the veil of anonymity is lifted, we're left with two guys with man boobs and 300+ lbs of excess.
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No offence, but i'm fairly sure that national cyber defence agencies are probably a lot smarter than a random bloke commenting on a small computer forum.

I think encouraging people to attack corporations is that stupid in many ways.

You must be new here to attack Mook on a matter concerning abstract, free minded conjecture.

The guy has a handle on subjects others are not prepared to begin to comprehend or understand.
Does that even mean anything?

Anyway, he's been here since 2006, according to OCN.

I also didn't realize Mookster was always right and anyone with a different opinion or conclusion was automatically wrong.
    
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You must be new here to attack Mook on a matter concerning abstract, free minded conjecture.

The guy has a handle on subjects others are not prepared to begin to comprehend or understand.

I joined last week. Please accept my sincere apologies.
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Does that even mean anything?

Anyway, he's been here since 2006, according to OCN.

I also didn't realize Mookster was always right and anyone with a different opinion or conclusion was automatically wrong.

Just ignore the mindguard, they feel threatened and thus feel a need to defend a pillar of this group.

Mook, in this particular instance, while technically right, is also fundamentally wrong. Right execution with a horribly flawed premise, if I'm remembering the situation correctly.
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Just ignore the mindguard, they feel threatened and thus feel a need to defend a pillar of this group.

Mook, in this particular instance, while technically right, is also fundamentally wrong. Right execution with a horribly flawed premise, if I'm remembering the situation correctly.
I'll stand by my premise.

It's only conjecture, after all. One guy said "we don't need people like that around" and another guy said "well wait a second in some ways we do need people like that around" and then I came in and said "you know, we really do desperately need self-taught, brilliant hackers who'll do it for more than just money" and then I began thinking of how hard it must be to get that kind of talent, when banks and corporations can offer the world on a silver platter to good programmers who learned, like a good boy, from the education system; that guy isn't going to be dedicated the way that a middle to lower class hacker is, especially when you consider that many of these hackers do it for the experience.

Honestly, even the delinquents like game hackers who are making money from it, they aren't really doing it for the money. They're frequently geniuses and they just can't keep themselves away from the puzzle.

LizardSquad and Poodlecorp obviously don't fall into that category. DDoS attacks are easy to accomplish and are usually meant to be some kind of protest, but really the "message" they're trying to send is just a thin veil to cover up the fact that they're angry, and they want attention.

Anyway. My point is to display how psychologically revealing these things are. The people getting caught are usually kids, and that's not a coincidence. I know people who moved on from this stage and went on to be very successful in life. I know a person who steadily released game breaking hacks for SC:BW over the course of 4 years, to a point where he was rejected from the game hacking community for not having enough "restraint." He was thoroughly, genuinely a toxic person. But, he grew up to create some very popular GPU stress test programs; one of which was featured right here on OCN a few years ago. Today he's working for big developers and he's a completely changed person now that he's found his niche.

So it's not exactly all conjecture on my part; I've seen many similar examples of troubled kids who are brilliant in this way, moving on and applying those skills in a constructive way. All of the folks I know from that game hacking group went on with a bit of an anti-corporatism streak in them, to work on open source and community driven software endeavors.

It's obviously not true of all delinquents, but it is true of more than you might think. This kind of talent, that isn't motivated by a want to do well in school or succeed financially in life.. it's valuable. It's the kind of thing you might want to harness for military intelligence.

Like they say: Anyone who isn't a rebel by the age of 20 has no heart, and anyone who isn't establishment by the age of 30 has no brain. Most of these folks are genuinely brilliant and they've just been failed by society; they've been left to their own devices without proper guidance.

And finally, that's why I said it might even be smart to cultivate these people, by allowing them to get away with a certain amount of trouble. Maybe by injecting military intelligence into the heart of these groups, under an alias, to pick out the rising stars and keep them from getting into too much trouble. Learning to hack by going up against corporate cyber security is probably far more effective than learning from your professor at Yale, if you have the talent. It's dangerous, it's real, you need to cover your tracks, you need to be responsible. This is real world experience that applies directly to military intelligence. If someone is talented enough to go up against corporate cyber security, you'll definitely cry inside if you need to put them in jail when they're the exact kind of talent you need.

All conjecture, yes, but definitely not the kind of conjecture that people should automatically dismiss because it's "offensive"
It is offensive and it might leave you feeling insecure about some concept of justice you might hold, but it's realistic. A nation that throws talent like that away will likely have trouble competing against one that doesn't. I mean, damn, it's just interesting to think about how things really play out at that level.
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