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Hey,

I have a problem (I think) with my r9 290. Yesterday the PC shut down (auto-restarted) when I started a game on Steam. It was a modded KOTOR anyway so at first I put it down to that, it's a bit unstable anyway but doesn't usually shut down the PC.

I then tried Unigine Valley as a test and again the PC shut down as soon as the program started. I then tried prime 95 (blend) to check the processor and ram - it wasn't running overclocked anyway but I thought it was worth testing, and that was fine.

I then re-seated the GPU and that seemed to cure it yesterday - however today it is back to the same problem. Now it makes it a little further into Unigine valley before shutting down, about 30 seconds. And again, prime95 blend test is fine on both standard and over clocked CPU setting, which is leading me to think it's a GPU problem. When I first got this GPU I did try overclocking, pushed it too far and nearly bricked it - I took that as a warning and since then it has been running at out of the box factory overclock settings and has been fine.

My concern is that it might be something else, like an imminent PSU failure? The r9 290 is very power hungry. I don't want to get a new GPU to find the PSU then goes and takes the new GPU with it.

Anyone got any ideas...? In the meantime I'll try re-seating the RAM but I don't think it's that...


Asus R9 290 Direct CUII
i5 2500k (runs at either stock or 4.4ghz OC)
Gigabyte P67A-UD3-B3
16gb G.skill trident
OCZ Stealth Xstream 600w psu
Windows 10 (anniversary update)

Thanks in advance!
post #2 of 29

That's a pretty old mediocre-quality power supply. I think it would be best to replace it with a good quality-made 550W PSU (to minimize your upgrade costs here while still having plenty of power). I don't know what stores you can order from though, so I can't really make any reliable recommendations yet.

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post #3 of 29
as Two Cables said, First thing that popped in my mind before I read what you said, that it was a PSU issue also.
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Hey guys, yep, been doing a bit more reading and I think I agree. I wasn't sure if a PSU could 'degrade' in that manner though (rather than just blow) but you both think that's what it might be. The PSU is old, and was previously owned by a friend anyway.
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Originally Posted by TwoCables View Post

That's a pretty old mediocre-quality power supply. I think it would be best to replace it with a good quality-made 550W PSU (to minimize your upgrade costs here while still having plenty of power). I don't know what stores you can order from though, so I can't really make any reliable recommendations yet.

I'm in the UK - usual places to order from are Amazon, Scan and Overclockers. I've been looking at either EVGA G2 or Superflower Leadex replacements. I was even thinking of going up in power a bit to 750-850w. a/ to make sure it definitely has enough power (the Asus r9 290 is very power hungry!) but also b/ because I was thinking of upgrading to a new gen GPU (gtx1070). I know these are quite efficient and a 600w would be enough for one, but also want to cover possible SLI in the future.

However the GPU upgrade might have to wait if I'm buying a new PSU, so I need to make sure the new PSU will run the r9 290 in the interim, and a 750w (650 minimum) is recommended for this.

If it is the PSU do you think I should be even using the computer - is it likely to blow and take other components with it!?

Cheers
post #5 of 29
Yea Two Cables mentioned in earlier threads, he said you dont really have to worry to go above a 650w PSU , i Personally say 750w, but as power consumptions a 650w would really be more than fine, even for SLI if you decide to go that route. even with OCing.

I wouldnt say its going to do that, However just think, as I say this to my other guys, i'd get it replaced asap and not use it, just in case something happens. Its electronics, anything is bound to happen, not to scare you by any means.
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Hey guys, yep, been doing a bit more reading and I think I agree. I wasn't sure if a PSU could 'degrade' in that manner though (rather than just blow) but you both think that's what it might be. The PSU is old, and was previously owned by a friend anyway.
I'm in the UK - usual places to order from are Amazon, Scan and Overclockers. I've been looking at either EVGA G2 or Superflower Leadex replacements. I was even thinking of going up in power a bit to 750-850w. a/ to make sure it definitely has enough power (the Asus r9 290 is very power hungry!) but also b/ because I was thinking of upgrading to a new gen GPU (gtx1070). I know these are quite efficient and a 600w would be enough for one, but also want to cover possible SLI in the future.

However the GPU upgrade might have to wait if I'm buying a new PSU, so I need to make sure the new PSU will run the r9 290 in the interim, and a 750w (650 minimum) is recommended for this.

If it is the PSU do you think I should be even using the computer - is it likely to blow and take other components with it!?

Cheers

 

Where are you seeing a 650W minimum for the R9 290? It should say 550W.

 

Look at this:

 

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/radeon_r9_290_crossfire_review_benchmarks,4.html

 

As you can see, their power supply only pulled 372W out of the wall outlet with one R9 290 under full load in their system. If we assume that their PSU was 90% efficient while pulling 372W out of the wall, then that means their entire computer system pulled 335W out of the PSU. Adding maybe 150W for the CPU, that's still easily under 500W.  This would be very easy for a good quality-made 550W PSU.

 

PSU requirements as stated by NVIDIA and AMD and all aftermarket video card manufacturers are for peak-rated PSUs. So let's say you see "650W minimum" even though I think it's 550W. The typical 650W peak-rated PSU has a +12V capacity of no more than 468W (39A), some have even less than that. Even the super-old 520W Corsair HX520 has a bigger +12V capacity than that of 480W (40A)! Today's good 550W PSUs have a +12V capacity of 540W (45A). A good 650W PSU would have a +12V capacity of 648W (54A).

 

If it IS 550W just as I think it is, then you should know that the typical 550W peak-rated PSU has a +12V capacity of no more than about 396W (33A). That's 48W less than the +12V capacity of a good 450W PSU (444W, 37A).

 

If you get a GTX 1070, then your power consumption would drop even further and you would even be able to power two GTX 1070s in your system with a good quality-made 550W PSU, if you had to (or if you wanted to). The PSU might get a little warm and maybe the fan would spin kind of high, but the PSU would be fine provided it's a good one.

 

So unless you plan on overclocking the life out of your video card(s) with special voltage modifications, a 750W+ PSU would be a waste of money. It would especially be a waste of money to power your system with just one R9 290 in it, as I just explained.


Edited by TwoCables - 10/9/16 at 12:52pm
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post #7 of 29
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Ok, thanks. I have no wish to spend more than necessary, I just thought it would future proof to an extent. The 750w recommended was on the box, although I realize they are being conservative.

It's this one: https://www.asus.com/uk/Graphics-Cards/R9290DC2OC4GD5/

It draws 'up to' 300w at peak - i just thought having a bit more overhead wouldn't hurt, but I'm not rich so if a lesser power will do I will take your recommendation!

From what I read, superflower leadex and EVGA G2 (made by superflower I believe) are among the best quality, would you agree?
post #8 of 29
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Originally Posted by KbLast View Post

Ok, thanks. I have no wish to spend more than necessary, I just thought it would future proof to an extent. The 750w recommended was on the box, although I realize they are being conservative.

It's this one: https://www.asus.com/uk/Graphics-Cards/R9290DC2OC4GD5/

It draws 'up to' 300w at peak - i just thought having a bit more overhead wouldn't hurt, but I'm not rich so if a lesser power will do I will take your recommendation!

From what I read, superflower leadex and EVGA G2 (made by superflower I believe) are among the best quality, would you agree?

 

It's a matter of fact that the Super Flower Leadex is extremely high-end. The G2 is a Super Flower Leadex internally. So, I can't say that I agree because that would mean it's my opinion. ;) I don't have much of an opinion, I just know the facts.

 

A 750W recommendation sounds to me like a Crossfire recommendation.

 

Anyway, the power consumption facts are all right there. ;)

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Ok, cool, ordered! Thanks to all for the help.
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Well wait a minute... what did you order? How much did it cost? What were your other options? I mean, I hope you didn't just spend a lot more than you otherwise could have spent.

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