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Which is stupid...we have mechanisms in place that would allow us to produce carbon neutral fuel, but we aren't fostering development. Instead everyone is rushing to poor durability alternatives like batteries and fuel cells.
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I didn't know the Germans' invented a functional crystal ball.

 

Legislation like this is written by people who honestly have no understanding of technological development.

Electric cars are the future, that's without any doubt. They will be standard eventually.

 

But, there are technological hurdles to still overcome through research and development. Mostly in battery density. If the technology hits a wall (which it kind of has at the moment) what are people suppose to do if 2030 rolls around and the ICE is still the most practical and economical way of doing things? Just go broke on inferior, but more expensive technology?

 

Preemptive inevitable Tesla fanboy post: No. Tesla has not revolutionized battery technology by merely adding more Panasonic 18650 li-ions to it's battery packs.
 

Preemptive Lithium-Air post: "The allure of an ultra-high –energy density battery has prompted substantial research into the Li-O2 electrochemical couple as a possible battery chemistry and a significant progress has been made over the past decade … However, expectations for a practical Li-air battery should be kept modest given the severity of the challenges facing the battery chemistry.”
 

 
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what are people suppose to do if 2030 rolls around and the ICE is still the most practical and economical way of doing things?

The idea is that once you take into account the actual economics of the impact of fossil fuel consumption on more than just your own pocketbook, it isn't the economical way of doing things. Sure, if you leave it up to the prices you can get at a retail lot, today's electric cars cost more and perform worse than ICE cars. But the cost to purchase isn't the only cost involved.

The point of laws like this is to put some local impact onto the externalities that too often get exhausted away.
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Electric cars are the future, that's without any doubt. They will be standard eventually.
 

And this bill will probably boost investments in the area.
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Very good! Fuel cells are the future and I have no doubt we will find a convenient way to utilize the potential of hydrogen as energy storage.
Nuclear power plant can replace fossil plants easily.
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And this bill will probably boost investments in the area.
That is true bit i dont think thy can do it in 2030. Capacity and durability still a big problem with electric car batteries, especially with the hard advertising on quick charging. But interestingly enough they forgot to mention that doing that often will damage the battery... rolleyes.gif Plus how the hell will they get that much rare-earth material to manufacture those batteries, not to mention the stress on the environment caused by conventional/surface mining. On top of all this there is the problems with electricity which is a big one in Germany since all the green power plans didnt go as well as they thought it will.
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I'm sure Daimler and Volkswagen are excited about this...

They probably were already preparing, oil isn't sustainable for multiple reasons ranging from territory disputes all the way to global warming.
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So when will we have the car with non-removable battery? I came first :D

 

How can we know what can be done in  2030?

 

It wont happen if it is not good for German car manufactures, of cause.

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Very good! Fuel cells are the future and I have no doubt we will find a convenient way to utilize the potential of hydrogen as energy storage.
Nuclear power plant can replace fossil plants easily.

Actually my first thought was that they might have high-hopes for ITER being done and offering new insights into Fusion, which would easily solve the rest. Batteries might be just as damaging but at least they aren't pumping rubbish into the atmosphere.

Who knows ? someone has to take the first step in these things, we're still not using Mag-lev trains as standard yet they've been out for a good long while.
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They probably were already preparing, oil isn't sustainable for multiple reasons ranging from territory disputes all the way to global warming.

This is perhaps the most perplexing bit about this move. Germany gets a very sizable amount of money from taxing oil consumption. According to this, we're talking €0.4704 per litre for ultra-low sulphur Diesel and €0.6545 per litre for conventional unleaded petrol, plus Value Added Tax (19%) on the fuel itself and the Fuel Tax. That adds up to prices of €1.12 per litre for ultra-low sulphur Diesel and €1.27 per litre (approximately US$6.14 per US gallon) for unleaded petrol (December 2014). I'm not entirely certain Germany can survive if that's taken away.
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