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Hopefully the world will follow along with more and better nuclear plant to help power these vehicles.
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post #102 of 223
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Originally Posted by HMBR View Post

what is more efficient, using the gas directly on cars, or using the same to generate electricity and running cars out of it?
trouble is the batteries are still not good, but in 15 years I can see it improving...


people talking about freedom, use your freedom to leave Germany, or to protest, block this law...
I think it's an interesting idea... you can't deny that cars are generating a lot of air pollution.

Generating electricity, very likely. ICEs have so incredibly poor efficiency and drivetrain losses, all of that. Burning the gas in an advanced plant means great amount of that waste heat can be used to drive turbines or warm nearby households and businesses.
Edited by Smanci - 10/11/16 at 6:18am
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Dude, the entitlement in this thread.

So you want to keep using polluting cars just because you want to be able to drive ten hours straight a couple times a year? Color me baffled.

Also, Germany's mix isn't 95% nuclear. They had something like 25% before Fukushima and halved it shortly after, planning on shutting all of them down in the coming years. Coal is still huge there but the amount of installed renewables dwarfs it already and the new facilities installed every single year is just insane.

Thing is, renewables employ a lot of highly skilled workers and helps the enviroment. I just don't get all this hate, really.
post #104 of 223
I loled at this...

Next thing they'll ban all the oils and oil changes for cars... Transmission oil, BAD! Power Steering oil, BAD! Brake fluid, BAD! Engine coolant, BAD! Well... on second thought we could change the oils to vegetable oil, then that'd be more environmentally friendly...
post #105 of 223
I hope they do, it's about time we stop burning dead plants. Even if a big part of the electricity used comes from dirty sources this is a first step, then we can slowly move away from coal and all that stuff.

Renewable energy sources CAN cover 100% of our demands, the problem is big corporations don't want to change their business model.

Meanwhile.... record temperatures every single year. You go humanity !!!
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I remember a 2015 claim, but that's about it.

I did the calculation myself, in a class on solar power in graduate school.
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Imagined crises! Imagined crises everywhere!

When your house is gone because the ocean rose above its roof, that's not an imagined crisis.

I know you'd love to rationalize this away as some leftist conspiracy to deprive you of your God-given right to not give a crap about anyone else, but it's just not the case.
post #108 of 223
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When your house is gone because the ocean rose above its roof, that's not an imagined crisis.

I know you'd love to rationalize this away as some leftist conspiracy to deprive you of your God-given right to not give a crap about anyone else, but it's just not the case.

well that escalated quickly. gonna call him hitler next?


seriously bro. I like to think I'm pretty environmentally friendly. I do all the little things most of my green friends would never deign to do themselves, but want to legislate everyone else do instead. I never owned an SUV, in fact, never owned a car that got less then 30mpg in my life.

The one thing i've never been sold on is CO2 being a significant enough greenhouse gas to affect global temps in enough of a manner to be significant. That's not to say CO2 being spewed into the atmosphere doesn't bug me, I like clean skys and water. I think the science behind CO2 damage to ocean ecosystems are far more impressive then the science on CO2 starting a global heatwave. Mankind does produce greenhouse gasses in conjunction with CO2, such as Methane, Nitrous Oxide and Sulphur Dioxide, of which the science is much stronger then that of CO2 for global warming. Heck, H20 aka water is a far more potent greenhouse gas than CO2.

The whole "climate change" argument is even worse then the "global warming" argument. Atleast global warming has concrete temperature records to support it's argument, even if the causes behind it are doubtful. Climate change is a moving goalpost with little actual science behind it and a whole lot of questionable motivation. The "climate change" movement developed out of warmers who saw their warming projections fail as global temps flatlined after 1998, so instead of sticking to their guns they tacked wildly into a dubious and unprovable climate change argument, so that they could point to any extreme local weather phenomenon and claim responsibility lay at man's doorstep.

Why can't environmentalists just be honest and ask for people to live in a clean world? why all this hysteria about nonsense which is almost impossible to prove is man's responsibility? I live in Phoenix Az, I'll tell you my more immediate concern then either global warming or climate change is the horrible air quality during rush hour. That's a serious living quality issue.
Edited by azanimefan - 10/11/16 at 8:31am
 
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ah no.

canada (#3) and venezuela (#1) are far ahead of the U.S. (#10) let alone middle eastern countries.

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/07/05/us-oil-reserves-surpass-those-of-saudi-arabia-and-russia.html

The bottom falling out of shale had to do with Saudi Arabia sabotaging the market, but that bit them on the butt and they had to pull back on that position. Net import/export balances have nothing to do with proven reserves and production capacity, anyway.
the link you proved included "yet undiscovered reserves" that promoted USA has an oil rich country. with that in mind, then other countries will also have those "yet undiscovered reserves" and be able to advance technology to refine oil, like alberta refining oil from sand; which jumped canada to the top 3 oil rich countries.

net imports will show that though the US is tenth in reverses it still consumes the most of any country. even IF it has the most oil in the world, if you're consuming it faster than production guess what? yep, importing.

i thoroughly believe this "100 years of oil" is a lie told by the US oil companies to keep people consuming and continue to make money w/o investing in an alternative. at best, there is 100 years of oil because it would take 100 years to refine it all; not that it would be available at the US consumption rate.

yeah, i was alive and remember the gas shortages of the '70s. redface.gif

this is what germany sees; it's disparity between consumption (#9) and production (#54); even the UK has more oil but consumes less. so getting back OT. there is oil but it isn't an endless supply. i'll agree the time frame might be ridiculous but it's long past time to find an alternative.
Edited by looniam - 10/11/16 at 8:36am
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I wonder if this ban will only affect cars purchased within the country.

Because otherwise people will continue to buy internal combustion cars in other countries and bring them back to germany.
Also there may be some interesting law bypasses created later.
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