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So, virtually every type of power plant does some environment damage.

And what's going to minimize it? Is it A) dumping radioactive waste in barrels and hoping nothing bad happens, B) spitting huge amounts of carbon and sulfur based wastes into the atmosphere, or C) pulling a Netherlands and building our own coastlines?
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And what's going to minimize it? Is it A) dumping radioactive waste in barrels and hoping nothing bad happens, B) spitting huge amounts of carbon and sulfur based wastes into the atmosphere, or C) pulling a Netherlands and building our own coastlines?

D) Dump all the radioactive waste in the Netherlands.
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And what's going to minimize it? Is it A) dumping radioactive waste in barrels and hoping nothing bad happens, B) spitting huge amounts of carbon and sulfur based wastes into the atmosphere, or C) pulling a Netherlands and building our own coastlines?
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Disruption of natural habitats, river line and coastal erosion in the case of hydroelectric, various bird species deaths as a result of turbines, the fact that the solar PV cell manufacturing process includes hazardous chemicals not limited to the following: hydrochloric acid, sulfuric acid, nitric acid, hydrogen fluoride, 1,1,1-trichloroethane, and acetone...etc. So, virtually every type of power plant does some environment damage.

Please reread.
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Radioactive waste, while not without risk, is also healthier for the environment as long as the associated risks are kept under control. Risk management for radioactive waste is actually something done regularly and without issue.
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There's not just PV solar plant, there's also thermal solar plant. The principle is very simple, you only need mirrors to concentrate the power on a long tube with a fluid circulating inside.
You can store the heat using water, oil, molten sand, etc.
The heat stored can be used to generate electric power when needed.

Like said above, you can pump water uphill (very convenient) to store energy.

There is also a very good system called CAES (compressed air) but you need very big air-tight enclosure (like a cavern).

And then there's also fuel battery. You put a fuel (like hydrogen) and it will react inside the battery with the help of a catalyst. The reaction releases electron and is very efficient.

Li-ion and lead-acid batteries offer a poor alternative to gasoline in term of power density and I really doubt this is going to be used for a long time in e-cars (li-ion). By 2030, I am sure there will be long range fuel batteries easy to refill.

Transport account for about the third of the pollution. The rest is third industry and third for commercial & residential. So there's a big reduction potential by eliminating emissions from engines. Electric motor are much more efficient than any combustion engine. It seems evident that the transition has to be made and the government is the only one that can really push it with legislation.

Think about all the money lost by importing all the oil to fuel our inefficient and bad habits too!
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No such thing as a "zero emission car", what a joke. Once again the masses seem to think the power coming out of the plug appears there by magic without emission costs.

If solar and wind were such great power sources they wouldn't need to force their adoption by the threat of state violence. But hey, it's a country I don't live in so what do I care. I'll get to laugh as they decrease their standard of living for nonsensical reasons, and I'll have another failed example of wind and solar power to point at.

If germany was really interested in reducing emissions they would address the biggest problem they have. Massive obscene overpopulation. But you'll notice instead of doing this they are instead growing their population by the desperate measure of importing tons of immigrants to shore up their falling birthrates.
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Electricity can be produced with glycerin powered generators which are said to be emission free.

I honestly don't think that a law like this is going to happen.All new vehicles in Germany must be electric by 2030?Sounds to me like sales will plummet.

Driving for the fun of it seems to be at risk in the future.

I think a lot of people could make do with electric cars,but I don't think a lot of people want to.
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Electricity can be produced with glycerin powered generators which are said to be emission free.

I honestly don't think that a law like this is going to happen.All new vehicles in Germany must be electric by 2030?Sounds to me like sales will plummet.

Driving for the fun of it seems to be at risk in the future.

I think a lot of people could make do with electric cars,but I don't think a lot of people want to.

Driving for the fun of it is going to be gone once most cars are automated anyways, and they ban manual driving from the roads since it's too dangerous. That probably won't happen until you're old enough that it's about time to be taking away your licence anyways though tongue.gif.

Electric cars can be fun though. See Tesla, and BMW has an all electric car as well.
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Guess I need to pick up that M4 sooner than later!
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and you think than Germany is putting all of their eggs in one basket? rolleyes.gif
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