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I approve of this. Why? cause it will force innovation and change, and not just to electric. From my understanding, Germany imports some ~60% of their electricity, so plugging a bunch of electric cars into the grid is not going to be very feasible, especially to their large manufacturing economic base (i.e. increased costs).
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You're not going to meet this type of demand with solar, hydroelectric, and wind. The only choices left are high yield, high polluting sources.

Only if you don't build enough of them.

We could power the entire United States electricity demand just by solar plants in Arizona.
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Only if you don't build enough of them.

We could power the entire United States electricity demand just by solar plants in Arizona.

Is that sarcasm?
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Uh...no...?

The math is really very straightforward.
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Uh...no...?

The math is really very straightforward.

I remember a 2015 claim, but that's about it.
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Is that sarcasm?

The area you need to cover isn't as large as you would think, but it would take close to $1 trillion worth of panels, and doesn't account for the industry for producing the panels, much less what you do when night time rolls around.
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So Porsche Mission E required by everyone?
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So Porsche Mission E required by everyone?

I have never owned a car myself but my first "true' car is going to be a Tesla. By 2030 Model 3 will be cheaper and more people will have it. There is no point to buy petrol cars from dinosaurs. Most people need the car for city driving which ev are the best and distances less than 200 KM.
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The area you need to cover isn't as large as you would think, but it would take close to $1 trillion worth of panels, and doesn't account for the industry for producing the panels, much less what you do when night time rolls around.

Yeah I remember reading about it as linked above. Just a little too ambitious. The individual described in said article has a history of making these types of remarks.
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There are ways to store energy, by the way, that don't require batteries. Any excess produced by a dam outside of peak hours can be used to move water uphill, and at later, it can be flooded through a dam. Solar fields can heat water stored in tanks for nighttime use.

And, continuous operation or not, it's still better to supplement fossil fuels with emission-free energy sources. Any joule produced by a dam or windmill is one that isn't produced by coal or hydrocarbons.

Actually they do it with oil, and a lot of research is being poured into molten salt, which has immensely higher energy density.
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Only if you don't build enough of them.

We could power the entire United States electricity demand just by solar plants in Arizona.

We're gonna need a heckuva lot of energy storage to time shift all that solar production to peak usage times. That's the problem. Solar produces all the energy when no one uses it, in the middle of the day. Our energy portfolio would be much easier to manage, and much cleaner, if we didn't have such radical swings between base load and peak demand. Natural gas burner rigs are so popular because they can be turned on and off quickly to meet demand. Can't do that with the most efficient power sources, like nuclear. The dream of all renewable energy is currently held back by our lack of energy storage. A few MW, yeah, a big salt tank can store it to shift a handful of hours. Storing GW for the demands of larger cities is beyond us. It would take too much salt (our current best tech for massive energy storage).
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