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Things move so fast nowadays that people tend to forget that the iPhone isn't even 10 years old. If anyone thought that we would be at this point in smartphone development before its launch I'd give him a cookie.

Does anyone use pay phones anymore? Or have a corded phone at home?

I'd also like to remember everyone that the Model S's battery ranges from 60 to 100 KWh and the average consumption per household in the US is around 11 KWh a day. So you could easily go to work, charge your car while parked (or self-parked, lol) and get home cheap energy and a built-in storage.
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There are ways to store energy, by the way, that don't require batteries. Any excess produced by a dam outside of peak hours can be used to move water uphill, and at later, it can be flooded through a dam. Solar fields can heat water stored in tanks for nighttime use.

Germany is developing a way to pump hydrogen from the excess of production into their natural gas network.
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What a bunch of utter tripe. Germany can do whatever they want in their leftist utopia but if they stop offering ICE cars I will never consider a BMW, MB, or VW/Audi again. This nonsense needs to stop already. Absolutely nothing wrong with the ICE yet the tree huggers are making an all out assault against them as this evil "enemy" to the planet. Cars today are insanely clean running and efficient yet we have to throw away a technology that has been perfected by over 100 years of design for crappy battery technology that is still in its infancy and not nearly ready for the demands of modern everyday car use? Just pisses me off!
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What a bunch of utter tripe. Germany can do whatever they want in their leftist utopia but if they stop offering ICE cars I will never consider a BMW, MB, or VW/Audi again. This nonsense needs to stop already. Absolutely nothing wrong with the ICE yet the tree huggers are making an all out assault against them as this evil "enemy" to the planet. Cars today are insanely clean running and efficient yet we have to throw away a technology that has been perfected by over 100 years of design for crappy battery technology that is still in its infancy and not nearly ready for the demands of modern everyday car use? Just pisses me off!

It has to start somehow.
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It has to start somehow.

it has to start somewhere

what better place than here

what better time than now
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It could start organically with an actual "need" or "improvement" over current technology, rather than an arbitrary date set by a government, as though all that is holding back development of other technologies is a mandate from a government. The technology isn't ready because it isn't possible without some entirely new invention in electrical storage. That sort of thing can't just be forced by arbitrary deadlines. Hell, we don't even know for certain that storing electricity in such amounts will EVER be possible!
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It could start organically with an actual "need" or "improvement" over current technology, rather than an arbitrary date set by a government, as though all that is holding back development of other technologies is a mandate from a government. The technology isn't ready because it isn't possible without some entirely new invention in electrical storage. That sort of thing can't just be forced by arbitrary deadlines. Hell, we don't even know for certain that storing electricity in such amounts will EVER be possible!


Well moving aways from oil mean less dependence in oil countries. This is a financial and political in nature.
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The US is actually one of the most oil-rich countries in the world, especially now that we have developed new technologies to unlock it from the ground. There is so much more oil available in this country alone than we will ever need for the next 100 years, its not even funny! Forget about 2030, there is just no need to rush things to such an extent. Obviously oil is a finite resource so a replacement will eventually have to be found, but forcing a replacement when the technology simply does not exist is stupid and unnecessary right now...
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Well moving aways from oil mean less dependence in oil countries. This is a financial and political in nature.

It's not financial at all. It is entirely political. There is no fabled green technology that is ready or cheaper. If it is not cheaper how can it be financially driven? All politics and lying politics at that.
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I think moving away from fossil fuels is important and I can see why Germany is doing this.

That said, I'll likely never purchase another automobile made after 1980. I'm highly suspicious of vehicles, that I didn't build from scratch, that have more electronics in them than lighting and a cassette deck.
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Does anyone use pay phones anymore? Or have a corded phone at home?

I've used a pay phone semi-recently and I have a spare corded phone at home because POTS is much more likely to remain powered and intact than almost any other utility in an emergency.
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Obviously oil is a finite resource so a replacement will eventually have to be found, but forcing a replacement when the technology simply does not exist is stupid and unnecessary right now...

It's a 'chicken or the egg' kind of scenario.

My inclination is to let market forces dictate progress, but that would likely result in progress in batteries and EVs being slowed until gasoline was several times more expensive than it is now.
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I think moving away from fossil fuels is important and I can see why Germany is doing this.

That said, I'll likely never purchase another automobile made after 1980. I'm highly suspicious of vehicles, that I didn't build from scratch, that have more electronics in them than lighting and a cassette deck.
I've used a pay phone semi-recently and I have a spare corded phone at home because POTS is much more likely to remain powered and intact than almost any other utility in an emergency.
It's a 'chicken or the egg' kind of scenario.

My inclination is to let market forces dictate progress, but that would likely result in progress in batteries and EVs being slowed until gasoline was several times more expensive than it is now.

There's not much of a choice, as innovation in any context doesn't take place with mere good intentions; it requires money. If Germany were to suddenly dump ICEs and associated taxation of oil, they'd be out billions. Already posted just how much money Germany pulls from oil taxation earlier in the thread.
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