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We all know gaming laptops suck on battery, but that doesn't change the fact they have a nice IPS pixel dense screen, sometimes high refresh even. Mainly the only reason I want a gaming laptop is because I will be traveling a lot, so even a Mini ITX system is out of the question because monitor, keyboard, mouse, etc just too bulky to carry on a plane, hotels, etc.

Battery just generates heat and lets face it doesn't last more than one hour gaming even on latest PASCAL laptops, it just isn't worth the integration of it.

Does anyone know why there are no laptops with no battery, just plugin only? It would suit my needs perfect, and the cost savings of it all would probably allow for more cooling as well.

Thoughts welcome as well, just surprised, certainly I am not the only person like this with this particular need... if I want a laptop to type on for notes in class, I will get a little 11" or 13.3" for that.
    
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I have really been considering undertaking a scratch build that is pretty much what you are describing (screen, desktop, and possibly keyboard attached). It's like a mitx desktop that is as portable as a gaming laptop.

I too think there should be options like this on the market.
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That's definitely an interesting thought. My guess would be because a product like that would be fairly niche in nature?

Besides that, I tend to agree with you. The laptop I use when I travel is ALWAYS plugged in. I have no use for a battery with that one either. That's what my phone and 11" notebook are for.
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Because having a battery doesn't hurt the laptop, even for the incredibly small number of people who would NEVER use it.

At worst, it costs them an extra 100 bucks on top of what they would normally have paid without it, and they detach it and sell it on ebay and recoup most of that "wasted" money.

On the other hand, having the battery allows much much more flexible use of the laptop. It allows it to be sold to a significantly larger market. It isn't so much about gaming while off the grid, but about being able to quickly relocate without having to shutoff the system, not needing an external and bulky UPS, being able to use the system in a downclocked state for non-gaming mobile use, etc.

Furthermore, AIO computers do exist. They are essentially what you're describing, but with touch screens instead of touchpads and keyboards. Frankly no one games on a touch pad anyway, and laptop keyboards universally suck, so why not just use an AIO computer and a wireless keyboard and mouse if you really just want a very portable system that will only ever be used on AC mains.
Edited by Zero4549 - 10/11/16 at 4:38pm
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Been using laptops for years. Even on battery efficient systems I still plug into the wall when the opportunity to do so is present.

Though instead of complete removal of the battery, I would reduce its size by about 75% so you can put it to sleep/hibernate between locations if you do that sort of thing.
    
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Originally Posted by Zero4549 View Post

Because having a battery doesn't hurt the laptop, even for the incredibly small number of people who would NEVER use it.

At worst, it costs them an extra 100 bucks on top of what they would normally have paid without it, and they detach it and sell it on ebay and recoup most of that "wasted" money.

On the other hand, having the battery allows much much more flexible use of the laptop. It allows it to be sold to a significantly larger market. It isn't so much about gaming while off the grid, but about being able to quickly relocate without having to shutoff the system, not needing an external and bulky UPS, being able to use the system in a downclocked state for non-gaming mobile use, etc.

Furthermore, AIO computers do exist. They are essentially what you're describing, but with touch screens instead of touchpads and keyboards. Frankly no one games on a touch pad anyway, and laptop keyboards universally suck, so why not just use an AIO computer and a wireless keyboard and mouse if you really just want a very portable system that will only ever be used on AC mains.

I don't disagree. Good points all; but what about the "desktop replacement" laptops? That's what I take when I travel and it's for gaming and media consumption in my hotel room. It's way to big to use in a train or airplane. It would be interesting to see what they could do with that extra space in a laptop like that without a battery.

Again, I admit it's extremely niche.
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Because having a battery doesn't hurt the laptop, even for the incredibly small number of people who would NEVER use it.

At worst, it costs them an extra 100 bucks on top of what they would normally have paid without it, and they detach it and sell it on ebay and recoup most of that "wasted" money.

On the other hand, having the battery allows much much more flexible use of the laptop. It allows it to be sold to a significantly larger market. It isn't so much about gaming while off the grid, but about being able to quickly relocate without having to shutoff the system, not needing an external and bulky UPS, being able to use the system in a downclocked state for non-gaming mobile use, etc.

Furthermore, AIO computers do exist. They are essentially what you're describing, but with touch screens instead of touchpads and keyboards. Frankly no one games on a touch pad anyway, and laptop keyboards universally suck, so why not just use an AIO computer and a wireless keyboard and mouse if you really just want a very portable system that will only ever be used on AC mains.

I don't disagree at all, I understand, but yeah to be fair gtx 1070 and 1080 laptops are already a niche market ;p and no battery would mean not only less heat from the system, but more options for cooling, extra copper pipes for that 1070 or 1060 gpu for overclocking (or maybe not even a downclocked desktop variant, a stock clock deskop in laptop form factor) mmmm heaven... lol
    
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I don't disagree. Good points all; but what about the "desktop replacement" laptops? That's what I take when I travel and it's for gaming and media consumption in my hotel room. It's way to big to use in a train or airplane. It would be interesting to see what they could do with that extra space in a laptop like that without a battery.

Again, I admit it's extremely niche.

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I don't disagree at all, I understand, but yeah to be fair gtx 1070 and 1080 laptops are already a niche market ;p and no battery would mean not only less heat from the system, but more options for cooling, extra copper pipes for that 1070 or 1060 gpu for overclocking (or maybe not even a downclocked desktop variant, a stock clock deskop in laptop form factor) mmmm heaven... lol

Let's be realistic, they aren't going to give you extra cooling or new features, they would just give you a smaller "laptop" (if you could even call it that without a battery).

Here's the real question though. Would you rather have a small internal battery, or a significantly larger external UPS? Unless you said external UPS, those internal batteries are still useful in systems that are exclusively used while plugged in.
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Let's be realistic, they aren't going to give you extra cooling or new features, they would just give you a smaller "laptop" (if you could even call it that without a battery)

I wouldnt ask for a smaller laptop in response. Just give another HDD slot since most batteries are about that size and form factor anyways
    
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Let's be realistic, they aren't going to give you extra cooling or new features, they would just give you a smaller "laptop" (if you could even call it that without a battery)

I wouldnt ask for a smaller laptop in response. Just give another HDD slot since most batteries are about that size and form factor anyways

I have no idea what laptops you use, but most 4-6cell batteries are the size of 2 or 3 2.5" 7mm HDDs.

Besides, you could fit like, 3 M.2 slots in the same space as a 2.5" HDD.
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