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This is probably a question that has been beaten to death, but I feel my situation may be somewhat unique.
I'm working on a 4-way Fury X build with an FX-8350. I've been running into all kinds of crazy hurdles (4 GPU's that all draw 450w before overclocking...)

Anyhow, the question here is how much gain is there to see from a custom loop compared to running an AIO on every piece of hardware? The AIO on the Fury X allows a pretty big overclock without seeing thermal throttling. I'll add that none of my cards are making annoying pump whines.

The custom loop is likely going to run me north of $800. So I'm really thinking long and hard about if this is worth it or not.
post #2 of 10
Kind of depends on what custom loop.

A loop the doesn't adequately cool overclocked cards is, well, worthless. And then the blocks have to fit your motherboard layout.
But, yeah, custom.
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Do you already have the AIOs?
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I'm surprised your budgeting considering that build haha.

I can give you this:

Advantages of a custom loop:
-More Upgrade-ability and easier maintenance (please god don't forget a drain port)
- Customization. Fans, radiator size, pump, reservoir. Two loops?
- Aesthetics. A single custom loop with the necessary radiators (you'll need a few) will look much better than 5 AIO's.
- Likely more wattage dissipation. Will depend on your rads, but two 480mm's can mount externally and provide more cooling than 5 AIO's.

Cons of a custom loop:
- $$$$$. The 4 Fury X waterblocks are going to be expensive in themselves.
- Leaks. Although unlikely, if you don't know what you're doing an AIO can save your build. One leaky fitting ruins everything in a custom loop.

4 Fury X's is screaming custom loop though. 4 AIO's will look funny.
    
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Originally Posted by billbartuska View Post

Kind of depends on what custom loop.

A loop the doesn't adequately cool overclocked cards is, well, worthless. And then the blocks have to fit your motherboard layout.
But, yeah, custom.

Yes, you're absolutely right. For the purpose of this thread, we'll assume that the custom loop will adequately cool the cards.
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Originally Posted by lovetobuild View Post

Do you already have the AIOs?
The Fury X's all come with AIO units and I have an H100i on the 8350.
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Originally Posted by LuckyImperial View Post

I'm surprised your budgeting considering that build haha.

I can give you this:

Advantages of a custom loop:
-More Upgrade-ability and easier maintenance (please god don't forget a drain port)
- Customization. Fans, radiator size, pump, reservoir. Two loops?
- Aesthetics. A single custom loop with the necessary radiators (you'll need a few) will look much better than 5 AIO's.
- Likely more wattage dissipation. Will depend on your rads, but two 480mm's can mount externally and provide more cooling than 5 AIO's.

Cons of a custom loop:
- $$$$$. The 4 Fury X waterblocks are going to be expensive in themselves.
- Leaks. Although unlikely, if you don't know what you're doing an AIO can save your build. One leaky fitting ruins everything in a custom loop.

4 Fury X's is screaming custom loop though. 4 AIO's will look funny.
Well, everyone's doing Intel/NVidia builds with the new 10 series. I want to do something great with AMD and Fury X is as good as it gets at the moment. I definitely plan on upgrading to Summit Ridge when that comes out.

I haven't that about external mounting rads. I'll have to do some research on that and see if it seems like a good solution for me.
I was planning on a 120mm x 3 and a 240mm x 2. Both of those can be mounted internally.

I definitely agree with your observations on aesthetics and it being sort of ... obnoxious/funky with the AIO lines running every which way. Why invest this much into a system to have it look like garbage? tongue.gif
I actually found EK waterblocks for $63-70. Which is actually quite good.
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So the real question is, do you want to spend $800+ to make the system more aesthetically pleasing and possibly gain a slight performance increase? I have seen plenty of builds on here where people have spent that kind of money on aesthetics alone. It all comes down to priorities really.

Alternatively, you could stick with what you have, and use the $800 to:
-upgrade your SSD(s)
-get a new phone
-get a new tablet
-get a new midrange laptop
-save it to have a bigger budget for your next build
-etc

If you go with the first option please do a build log biggrin.gif
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post #7 of 10
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Originally Posted by lovetobuild View Post

So the real question is, do you want to spend $800+ to make the system more aesthetically pleasing and possibly gain a slight performance increase? I have seen plenty of builds on here where people have spent that kind of money on aesthetics alone. It all comes down to priorities really.

Alternatively, you could stick with what you have, and use the $800 to:
-upgrade your SSD(s)
-get a new phone
-get a new tablet
-get a new midrange laptop
-save it to have a bigger budget for your next build
-etc

If you go with the first option please do a build log biggrin.gif
I care about aesthetics, but moreover I care about functional aesthetics.

The first option being a custom loop or upgraded SSDs? o.o I can't imagine watching upgraded SSDs is very exciting.
Honestly, if it doesn't go towards a custom loop for my computer it'll probably go towards a custom loop for my car haha.

I'm waiting on another Fury X and deciding what to do for cooling; but I'll probably make a log. I may do some extras as far as overclocking and such goes. Looking to set some decently how scores with this rig.


EDIT:

Ended up opting for a custom loop. All my parts are ordered and I'll hopefully be rigging up the first bit of it in the next week or so.
Edited by Skyl3r - 10/18/16 at 11:27am
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I figured I'd post back to share my results with a custom loop.

Before, with my H100i, and Fury X AIO coolers, I was seeing temperatures up to 70C when stress testing the FX 8350 and up to 50C when stress testing the Fury X's.

After a custom loop and Benchmarking, my FX 8350 is peaking at 54C and the Fury X's are peaking at 32C. So this is a relatively substantial improvement.

This loop consists of a Raystorm waterblock, two EK Fury X waterblocks, an EK 250 reservoir, an MCP35x pump, and a 120mm X 3 radiator (64mm wide).

Hopefully this info will be useful to anyone else considering if putting a custom loop on their Fury X's will be worth it.
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Sounds like you need to try for 4.5GHz on that 8350 tonguesmiley.gif
    
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Originally Posted by LuckyImperial View Post

Sounds like you need to try for 4.5GHz on that 8350 tonguesmiley.gif

I daily drive it at 4.69GHz tongue.gif I can get it to 5GHz for validation and I can pass some benchmarks at 4.8GHz, but 4.69 seems to be the end of the Prime95 stable range.
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