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#1 ·
So, holidays are coming up and for me that means new PC parts! I think I have decided to go with the GTX 1070, however I am having a hard time figuring out which one to get so I figured, what better place to ask than here right? So whats everyone opinion, excluding temperature because I am either going to do a AIO or customer water cooler loop, what GTX would provide the best performance and overclock ability, assuming average silicone lottery luck?

Currently my top 2 choices are the Galax GTX 1070 Hall of Fame Edition and the EVGA GeForce GTX 1070 FTW GAMING ACX 3.0 because they both have a good number of power phases.
 
#2 ·
The EVGA
 
#3 ·
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Originally Posted by OCmember View Post

The EVGA
Best price and warranty EVGA SC GTX 1070 Black Edition. Don't worry about the phases unless you are going to modify the Bios.
 
#4 ·
palit jetstream or gamerock // gainward phoenix, all of them have the same pcb. price is fair, with insane cooling and good pcb. but it has only one single 8 pin but the new bios gives you fully accessing of it by the max 225w power limit.

ftw is not good imo, cooling is not good if your ambient temp is >25c. pcb is not as good as you think but it is good enough however the bios has only 226w power limit.
those dual 8 pins connectors and 10 phase power design are rather marketing gimmicks. as you cant access the full capability of them (350w at 1v for vrms and 300 w for dual 8pins connectors).

galax hof, using another gpu controller, which is very unique among other 1070s. pcb is extremely great, with very high power limit. although cooling is not good enough.

actually you should look for one 1070 that has good cooling with fair price. thats enough. under gpu boost 3.0 all 1070s overclock more or less the same...
for most of the 1070 using the same up9511 gpu controller, cross flash wont brick them generally. so if you want more power you can flash another bios.
cooling is the most important part on pascal cards.
 
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The EVGA
EVGA is the worst due to the VRM is not cool enough.
 
#6 ·
Go with the Asus 1070 strix man. RGB leds, Factory OC, superb cooling, good looking, it has it all.
 
#7 ·
FE
 
#8 ·
In my experience importing and testing GPUs (in Chile). For now the best is the Asus Strix Gaming. The Strix OC is physically the same, only difference are the higher clocks. Both have RGB LEDs and customization thtough AURA software. From 6 over 6 none had coil whine, maybe you can stick with these.

As for EVGA GTX 1070 had bought almost all versions: SC standard, SC Black Edition, FTW DT and ACX 3.0 with FEclocks. Most didnt have coil whine, some SC had, but moderate. In a case with some fans on is hard to notice.

Take in mind that only FTW and FTW DT have RGB LED, other are only LED.

From Gigabyte I always purchased the Gaming G1, good clocks and cooling for the price but all came with moderate coil whine.

Overall I will recommend Asus Strix Gaming. For temperatures most are the same, Strix gaming has a little lower temps. Well, this is an opinion, not a review, take it with a grain of salt
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EVGA is the worst due to the VRM is not cool enough.
Where do you acquire this information from and what temperature dose the VRM run at under load?
 
#11 ·
I guess no one here noticed the part where he said he was going to watercool it so temperature was not a factor... Out of your choices I would go with the EVGA. When you remove temperature from the equation it seems most 1070/1080's are maxing out at around the same clocks, give or take (not enough to really matter IMO). Not familiar with Galax but I hear good things about EVGA's customer service and their step-up program, so there's that.
 
#12 ·
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Originally Posted by HellBOmb View Post

So, holidays are coming up and for me that means new PC parts! I think I have decided to go with the GTX 1070, however I am having a hard time figuring out which one to get so I figured, what better place to ask than here right? So whats everyone opinion, excluding temperature because I am either going to do a AIO or customer water cooler loop, what GTX would provide the best performance and overclock ability, assuming average silicone lottery luck?

Currently my top 2 choices are the Galax GTX 1070 Hall of Fame Edition and the EVGA GeForce GTX 1070 FTW GAMING ACX 3.0 because they both have a good number of power phases.
Unless you are planning to do crazy overclocking with voltage mods and LN2, dont get carried away with extra power plugs and large numbers of VRM Phases. It is more for marketing show than it is for go.

The EVGA card doesn't really have true 10 phase power supply. It has 5 phase power x2 as it uses doublers connecting 5 channels from the voltage controller to the mosfets. The card also has quite low power limits. The FTW has a maximum 226W limit that makes the boost clock bounce around a lot.

The HOF card uses a unique voltage controller. I have not seen much written about it but I do know the maxwel HOF cards had a good reputation.

I would suggest that you take a look at both the MSI Gaming which has a very effective and quiet cooler and fan solution if you want to stay on air with a TDP power limit of 291W and the Asus Strix cards which also performs quite well but a lower TDP than the MSI card.

You could also have a look at the Zotac Amp Extreme but it is enormous. It has a 300W TDP
 
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Originally Posted by HellBOmb View Post

But I thought the phases provided a cleaner power through-put allowing for greater stability whilst overclocking?
With overclocking as much as the GPU will clock up the stock phase will work very well with stock Nvidia VRM phase. Overclocking voltage is restricted by Nvidia so it does not matter how many more phases it has. It's up to the luck of the draw for overclocking a GPU.
 
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Originally Posted by gtbtk View Post

Unless you are planning to do crazy overclocking with voltage mods and LN2, dont get carried away with extra power plugs and large numbers of VRM Phases. It is more for marketing show than it is for go.

The EVGA card doesn't really have true 10 phase power supply. It has 5 phase power x2 as it uses doublers connecting 5 channels from the voltage controller to the mosfets. The card also has quite low power limits. The FTW has a maximum 226W limit that makes the boost clock bounce around a lot.

The HOF card uses a unique voltage controller. I have not seen much written about it but I do know the maxwel HOF cards had a good reputation.

I would suggest that you take a look at both the MSI Gaming which has a very effective and quiet cooler and fan solution if you want to stay on air with a TDP power limit of 291W and the Asus Strix cards which also performs quite well but a lower TDP than the MSI card.

You could also have a look at the Zotac Amp Extreme but it is enormous. It has a 300W TDP
How is a 150watt card using 226watts overclocked?
 
#16 ·
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Originally Posted by wingman99 View Post

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Originally Posted by gtbtk View Post

Unless you are planning to do crazy overclocking with voltage mods and LN2, dont get carried away with extra power plugs and large numbers of VRM Phases. It is more for marketing show than it is for go.

The EVGA card doesn't really have true 10 phase power supply. It has 5 phase power x2 as it uses doublers connecting 5 channels from the voltage controller to the mosfets. The card also has quite low power limits. The FTW has a maximum 226W limit that makes the boost clock bounce around a lot.

The HOF card uses a unique voltage controller. I have not seen much written about it but I do know the maxwel HOF cards had a good reputation.

I would suggest that you take a look at both the MSI Gaming which has a very effective and quiet cooler and fan solution if you want to stay on air with a TDP power limit of 291W and the Asus Strix cards which also performs quite well but a lower TDP than the MSI card.

You could also have a look at the Zotac Amp Extreme but it is enormous. It has a 300W TDP
How is a 150watt card using 226watts overclocked?
it is only 150w at stock clocks.

If you overclock the card the power draw increases significantly
 
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#18 ·
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Originally Posted by Samsarulz View Post

In my experience importing and testing GPUs (in Chile). For now the best is the Asus Strix Gaming. The Strix OC is physically the same, only difference are the higher clocks. Both have RGB LEDs and customization thtough AURA software. From 6 over 6 none had coil whine, maybe you can stick with these.

As for EVGA GTX 1070 had bought almost all versions: SC standard, SC Black Edition, FTW DT and ACX 3.0 with FEclocks. Most didnt have coil whine, some SC had, but moderate. In a case with some fans on is hard to notice.

Take in mind that only FTW and FTW DT have RGB LED, other are only LED.

From Gigabyte I always purchased the Gaming G1, good clocks and cooling for the price but all came with moderate coil whine.

Overall I will recommend Asus Strix Gaming. For temperatures most are the same, Strix gaming has a little lower temps. Well, this is an opinion, not a review, take it with a grain of salt
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i agreed your statement. for pascal this time round no.1 is Asus Strix.

MSI pcb is almost same like FE but their cooling fan & heat-sink is superior.

EVGA is worst than Zotac & Palit or other rare vendors.

GIGA cooling is pretty good but i don't think they using good mosfet. they might use better mosfet for the 1st few batches but after that, they tend to reduce or cut cost (remove few transistors, etc or with different pcb revision)

i'm curious with Palit cos my country a lot people selling it after used few weeks/months only. we can obtain Palit quite easily as for Leadtek all come with micron.
 
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Originally Posted by Nick the Slick View Post

I guess no one here noticed the part where he said he was going to watercool it so temperature was not a factor... Out of your choices I would go with the EVGA. When you remove temperature from the equation it seems most 1070/1080's are maxing out at around the same clocks, give or take (not enough to really matter IMO). Not familiar with Galax but I hear good things about EVGA's customer service and their step-up program, so there's that.
lol Thank you, almost all the comments have been about the running temp xD
 
#20 ·
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Originally Posted by gtbtk View Post

Unless you are planning to do crazy overclocking with voltage mods and LN2, dont get carried away with extra power plugs and large numbers of VRM Phases. It is more for marketing show than it is for go.

The EVGA card doesn't really have true 10 phase power supply. It has 5 phase power x2 as it uses doublers connecting 5 channels from the voltage controller to the mosfets. The card also has quite low power limits. The FTW has a maximum 226W limit that makes the boost clock bounce around a lot.

The HOF card uses a unique voltage controller. I have not seen much written about it but I do know the maxwel HOF cards had a good reputation.

I would suggest that you take a look at both the MSI Gaming which has a very effective and quiet cooler and fan solution if you want to stay on air with a TDP power limit of 291W and the Asus Strix cards which also performs quite well but a lower TDP than the MSI card.

You could also have a look at the Zotac Amp Extreme but it is enormous. It has a 300W TDP
I called EVGA and they don't have the FTW 226W watts listed where did you acquire that information?
 
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Originally Posted by gtbtk View Post

MSI Gaming cards are fully custom PCB with 8+6 power, 8 phase VRM and 291W TDP. They are not like FE boards at all
yeah is true higher power phase but actually the parts is more or less the same like FE & no benefit at all. apparently, u can see y jayztwocent FE can OC higher than his MSI card. what did MSI offered is better cooling that's all. (maybe due to silicon lottery like jayz claimed)

by the way, ASUS use better mofset & other stuff so overall no.1 pick Asus is a wiser choice.
 
#23 ·
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Originally Posted by gtbtk View Post

MSI Gaming cards are fully custom PCB with 8+6 power, 8 phase VRM and 291W TDP. They are not like FE boards at all
yeah is true higher power phase but actually the parts is more or less the same like FE & no benefit at all. apparently, u can see y jayztwocent FE can OC higher than his MSI card. what did MSI offered is better cooling that's all. (maybe due to silicon lottery like jayz claimed)

by the way, ASUS use better mofset & other stuff so overall no.1 pick Asus is a wiser choice.
Not true, FE VRM is 5 phase with 8 pin power vs MSI with true 8 phase design with 6 pin + 8 pin power. The design, excluding the extra 6 pin power used by MSI, is very similar to the Asus strix cards.

The Jays2cents MSI and FE videos were released in the first week of pascal being on the market, before anyone really had a decent understanding of GPU Boost 3.0 and the voltage curve.

You can check yourself, high values on the left side of the curve (low voltage values) take resources away from the curve on the higher voltage right side. You can test it by maxing the voltage, setting the core clock slider to -75 and then overclocking with the curve by pulling up the point at 1.093v as high as you can get it while staying stable, you will see that you will get higher max clocks than you will if you leave the slider at 0 or add a positive value and then tweak the curve.
 
#24 ·
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Originally Posted by wingman99 View Post

I called EVGA and they don't have the FTW 226W watts listed where did you acquire that information?
The stock power draw in the spec sheet is not the same as maximum TDP. The spec sheet is specifying how much power the card will draw at stock, without any voltage adjustments or power limit adjustments in an overclocking utility.

The TDP power limit value is the setting that the card uses to determine where it will start reducing voltages and boost clock frequency (some people call it throttling) because it is drawing as much power as it is set to handle. If it tops out at a lower limit, then it will start the "throttling back" sooner and you will get lower overall frame rates.

The FTW has dual bios switch. Bios 1 has maximum 208W TDP and bios 2 has maximum 226W.

Bios 1

https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/185911/evga-gtx1070-8192-160712-2

Bios 2

https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/185908/evga-gtx1070-8192-160712-1
 
#25 ·
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Originally Posted by gtbtk View Post

MSI Gaming cards are fully custom PCB with 8+6 power, 8 phase VRM and 291W TDP. They are not like FE boards at all
Where did you acquire the 291w board power limit with MSI Gaming card?

TDP stands for (Thermal design power) not board power limit.
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The thermal design power (TDP), sometimes called thermal design point, is the maximum amount of heat generated by a computer chip or component (often the CPU or GPU) that the cooling system in a computer is designed to dissipate in typical operation. Rather than specifying CPU's real power dissipation, TDP serves as the nominal value for designing CPU cooling systems.[1]

The TDP is typically not the largest amount of heat the CPU could ever generate (peak power), such as by running a power virus, but rather the maximum amount of heat that it would generate when running "real applications." This ensures the computer will be able to handle essentially all applications without exceeding its thermal envelope, or requiring a cooling system for the maximum theoretical power (which would cost more but in favor of extra headroom for processing power).[2]

Some sources state that the peak power for a microprocessor is usually 1.5 times the TDP rating.[3] However, the TDP is a conventional figure while its measurement methodology has been the subject of controversy. In particular, until around 2006 AMD used to report the maximum power draw of its processors as TDP, but Intel changed this practice with the introduction of its Conroe family of processors.[4]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_design_power
 
#26 ·
In my option the best so far to me is the Zotac GTX 1070 AMP! Extreme.
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