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#1 ·
Currently running the following:
i7 860
GTX 560Ti
8gb HyperX Fury (soon to be 16gb)

Now that I'm out of school I have a bit more time to game and decided to buy Battlefield 1. Unfortunately my current 8gb of RAM is no longer enough for gaming even on the absolute lowest settings (everything on Low and the lowest possible resolution). The issue I'm having is simply that I'm running out of RAM. After Battlefield failed twice in multiplayer and another two times in campaign mode I got mad and ordered another set of 2x4gb. I would have gone 2x8 but my P55 mb caps me at 4gb per stick. After ordering I'm not sure if I'm going to regret this since that is another $50 in DDR3 RAM that won't be useful in another build.

So now I have a few questions:
- Is 16gb currently enough for gaming?
- Best budget Intel CPU? Last time I was up-to-date it was the i5 2500K which was the budget overclock king.
- CPU/MB are probably the next upgrade. Which socket should I be looking at?
 
#2 ·
I wouldn't do anything with that Rocketfish PSU powering your computer. That's a guaranteed death of your computer. I'm not joking. Get rid of it ASAP! Yeah yeah, I know: it's been fine so far. You've been lucky, and you've been warned. Don't keep it! That PSU is infamous for how bad it is.
 
#3 ·
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I wouldn't do anything with that Rocketfish PSU powering your computer. That's a guaranteed death of your computer. I'm not joking. Get rid of it ASAP! Yeah yeah, I know: it's been fine so far. You've been lucky, and you've been warned. Don't keep it! That PSU is infamous for how bad it is.
I based my decision off of a thread on here and even Phaedrus said he was impressed with the performance. Below are the links for the original review as well as the thread I referenced.

http://www.overclock.net/t/657874/900w-rocketfish-129-99-at-best-buy-and-im-buying-one
http://www.itocp.com/htmls/47/n-647-14.html
 
#4 ·
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I based my decision off of a thread on here and even Phaedrus said he was impressed with the performance. Below are the links for the original review as well as the thread I referenced.

http://www.overclock.net/t/657874/900w-rocketfish-129-99-at-best-buy-and-im-buying-one
http://www.itocp.com/htmls/47/n-647-14.html
Oh, that's why I have such a strong memory about it. God I hate when that happens!

I think that when I plugged my brain in this morning, I put the positive to the negative and the negative to the positive.
 
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It's kind of coming back to me now. I'm so embarrassed. Thank you for being gentle.
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It's almost impossible to keep up with all the rebrands and such. Doesn't help that my rig is about 5 years old and new components are coming out constantly.
 
#8 ·
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It's almost impossible to keep up with all the rebrands and such. Doesn't help that my rig is about 5 years old and new components are coming out constantly.
Yeah, I feel pretty useless on OCN these days. Some people laugh mercilessly at me as though I'm sort of blithering idiot, but good grief, I can't keep up. Then if I try to keep up, I end up buying the new stuff! lol :)

From what I can tell though, the 6700K may be the best purchase. I don't know how much memory is needed, but I would say it depends on what games you're playing.
 
#9 ·
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Yeah, I feel pretty useless on OCN these days. Some people laugh mercilessly at me as though I'm sort of blithering idiot, but good grief, I can't keep up. Then if I try to keep up, I end up buying the new stuff! lol
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From what I can tell though, the 6700K may be the best purchase. I don't know how much memory is needed, but I would say it depends on what games you're playing.
I come back every now and then and everything is different each time. I'm debating on spending the extra money on a 6700K or if I just got with a 2500K with a motherboard that supports 32 gigs of RAM. I'm currrently only playing Battlefield 1 but I am also trying to learn AutoCAD Civil 3d 2017 but again I think that is more RAM dependent than anything else.
 
#10 ·
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I come back every now and then and everything is different each time. I'm debating on spending the extra money on a 6700K or if I just got with a 2500K with a motherboard that supports 32 gigs of RAM. I'm currrently only playing Battlefield 1 but I am also trying to learn AutoCAD Civil 3d 2017 but again I think that is more RAM dependent than anything else.
Oh. I'd bet that finding a good 2500K and a good motherboard might prove to be difficult, unless you don't care about overclocking.
 
#11 ·
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Oh. I'd bet that finding a good 2500K and a good motherboard might prove to be difficult, unless you don't care about overclocking.
I wouldnt be pushing it too much. I've done custom loops and I think I'm going to stick to just air cooling. My Hyper 212 is still holding up well.
 
#13 ·
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You might only find like H61 or H67 boards. Y'know what I mean?
Damn. I just took a gander at the marketplace and I'm struggling to find anything that's 1155. I guess I'm going to have to upgrade to DDR4 if 16 gigs ends up not being enough.
 
#14 ·
I'm a little confused as to why you believe that 8Gbs of DDR3 isn't enough memory for gaming... unless you're talking about doing something else other then gaming?

8Gbs is perfectly fine atm, Judging by the specs you listed of you're PC I'm more concerned of your GPU

there's a significant difference between the GPU you currently have in your system and the one they recommend, not only in raw compute but also in memory buffer. The biggest upgrade you could make currently for gaming would be to upgrade your GPU. If you're on a budget I'd recommend either getting a RX 460 (in a few days MSRP $99) or wait a few days for the GTX 1050 (MSRP $109), those cards would allow you to play those games fine on medium to high settings. Ofc if you don't mind spending a bit more, the RX 470( MSRP $179) will play this game at 1080p at ultra settings perfectly fine, and the GTX 1060 3Gb (MSRP $199) will do well also.

RX 460 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202228
RX 470 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150781

battlefield min specs

The minimum spec:
OS: 64-bit Windows 7, Windows 8.1 and Windows 10.
Processor (AMD): AMD FX-6350.
Processor (Intel): Core i5 6600K.
Memory: 8GB RAM.
Graphics card (AMD): AMD Radeon HD 7850 2GB.
Graphics card (Nvidia): Nvidia GeForce GTX 660 2GB.
DirectX: 11.0 Compatible video card or equivalent.

GTX 550 Ti

Shading Units: 192
TMUs: 32
ROPs: 24
SM Count: 4
Pixel Rate: 7.20 GPixel/s
Texture Rate: 28.80 GTexel/s
Floating-point performance: 691.2 GFLOPS

Memory Size: 1024 MB
Memory Type: GDDR5
Memory Bus: 192 bit
Bandwidth: 98.5 GB/s

Gtx 660

Shading Units: 960
TMUs: 80
ROPs: 24
SMX Count: 5
Pixel Rate: 19.60 GPixel/s
Texture Rate: 78.4 GTexel/s
Floating-point performance: 1,881.6 GFLOPS

Memory Size: 2048 MB
Memory Type: GDDR5
Memory Bus: 192 bit
Bandwidth: 144.2 GB/s

$99 RX 460

Shading Units: 896
TMUs: 56
ROPs: 16
Compute Units: 14
Pixel Rate: 19.20 GPixel/s
Texture Rate: 67.2 GTexel/s
Floating-point performance: 2,150.4 GFLOPS

Memory Size: 2048 MB
Memory Type: GDDR5
Memory Bus: 128 bit
Bandwidth: 112.0 GB/s
 
#15 ·
The reason I say that I'm running out of RAM is simply that my computer is using all 8gbs of RAM. I've even run my task manager on my second monitor and I can see the RAM usage go up to like 7.8-7.9 and then it crashes. After the first time it crashed I made sure chrome and everything else that wasn't necessary was closed too. I haven't had any issues with framerate or anything like that. The RX 470 does look pretty nice. Personally I've never used AMD outside of for an old HTPC and I'm hoping their drivers have gotten better in the last 4 years or so.
 
#17 ·
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sounds like you have a memory leak. when's the last time you reformatted your PC?
By reformat do you mean do a clean install? Probably been a few years. I know Battlefield used close to 5gbs of RAM on its own.
 
#18 ·
unless the game is caching video data to your system memory because it doesn't have enough on your GPU, I don't see it being possible that you don't have enough system memory considering the min specs

The minimum spec:

OS: 64-bit Windows 7, Windows 8.1 and Windows 10
Processor (AMD): AMD FX-6350
Processor (Intel): Core i5 6600K
Memory: 8GB RAM
Graphics card (AMD): AMD Radeon HD 7850 2GB
Graphics card (Nvidia): Nvidia GeForce GTX 660 2GB
DirectX: 11.0 Compatible video card or equivalent
Online Connection Requirements: 512 KBPS or faster Internet connection
Hard-drive space: 50GB

I'd recommend doing a clean install, honestly at least once a year. You never know what problems can manifest over time ( especially years ) and it could very well clear up this issue.

AMD's drivers have gotten a lot better over the years. atm they trade blows in certain games, currently AMD performs better in Battlefield 1. It would be a solid purchase that's for sure.
 
#19 ·
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Originally Posted by Nosaer View Post

unless the game is caching video data to your system memory because it doesn't have enough on your GPU, I don't see it being possible that you don't have enough system memory considering the min specs

The minimum spec:

OS: 64-bit Windows 7, Windows 8.1 and Windows 10
Processor (AMD): AMD FX-6350
Processor (Intel): Core i5 6600K
Memory: 8GB RAM
Graphics card (AMD): AMD Radeon HD 7850 2GB
Graphics card (Nvidia): Nvidia GeForce GTX 660 2GB
DirectX: 11.0 Compatible video card or equivalent
Online Connection Requirements: 512 KBPS or faster Internet connection
Hard-drive space: 50GB

I'd recommend doing a clean install, honestly at least once a year. You never know what problems can manifest over time ( especially years ) and it could very well clear up this issue.

AMD's drivers have gotten a lot better over the years. atm they trade blows in certain games, currently AMD performs better in Battlefield 1. It would be a solid purchase that's for sure.
A clean install is probably for the best and I should have done it this week. I had a 64gb SSD that I was using for a boot drive and I bought a new 500gb SSD. Instead of doing a clean install I simply cloned my original boot drive and copied it to the new SSD. Worked like a champ and took all of 10 minutes to do. I think I'm going to have to dig through my stuff and find my copy of Windows 7.
 
#20 ·
Considering the fact that Battlefield 1's minimum system requirements say 8 GB of memory, I'm not surprised you're seeing 5 GB being used pretty easily just by the game itself. Formatting and starting over won't change anything. You need more memory.

I haven't formatted and started over in years yet everything is still just fine. I don't get why people think it's necessary to do it on a regular basis. It seems like a big waste of time to me. The Placebo Effect? I don't know. Doing too many bad things on the computer, installing lots of garbage and slowing it down over time? I certainly don't do that.
 
#21 ·
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Considering the fact that Battlefield 1's minimum system requirements say 8 GB of memory, I'm not surprised you're seeing 5 GB being used pretty easily just by the game itself. Formatting and starting over won't change anything. You need more memory.

I haven't formatted and started over in years yet everything is still just fine. I don't get why people think it's necessary to do it on a regular basis. It seems like a big waste of time to me. The Placebo Effect? I don't know. Doing too many bad things on the computer, installing lots of garbage and slowing it down over time? I certainly don't do that.
unless you know exactly how hes used his PC everyday for the last couple of years you can't compare your situation to his especially since he's having system memory issues, the fact that his system is using so much memory without the game ruuing is cause for concern. Honestly it's very odd that Battlefield is using so much system memory on it's on. It sounds like it's caching video data to his system memory ( which would be VERY slow in comparison ) since he has only 1Gb of storage, or his OS drive is full and is unable to cache to it so it's targeting system memory.

Nothing bad could come from him formatting but 30 mins of his time for peace of mind.
 
#22 ·
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Considering the fact that Battlefield 1's minimum system requirements say 8 GB of memory, I'm not surprised you're seeing 5 GB being used pretty easily just by the game itself. Formatting and starting over won't change anything. You need more memory.

I haven't formatted and started over in years yet everything is still just fine. I don't get why people think it's necessary to do it on a regular basis. It seems like a big waste of time to me. The Placebo Effect? I don't know. Doing too many bad things on the computer, installing lots of garbage and slowing it down over time? I certainly don't do that.
At this point I'm just waiting until Monday when the other 8gb are supposed to come in. I know once I install 16gb then I'll go over 8gb of RAM usage but if that still isn't enough then I'm just doing a clean install and going from there.

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Originally Posted by Nosaer View Post

unless you know exactly how hes used his PC everyday for the last couple of years you can't compare your situation to his especially since he's having system memory issues, the fact that his system is using so much memory without the game ruuing is cause for concern. Honestly it's very odd that Battlefield is using so much system memory on it's on. It sounds like it's caching video data to his system memory ( which would be VERY slow in comparison ) since he has only 1Gb of storage, or his OS drive is full and is unable to cache to it so it's targeting system memory.

Nothing bad could come from him formatting but 30 mins of his time for peace of mind.
When Battlefield 1 is not running, I don't have any issues. I have been running CAD Civil 3D without any issues for the past week. My OS drive has 334 gb free.
 
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Originally Posted by Nosaer View Post

unless you know exactly how hes used his PC everyday for the last couple of years you can't compare your situation to his especially since he's having system memory issues, the fact that his system is using so much memory without the game ruuing is cause for concern. Honestly it's very odd that Battlefield is using so much system memory on it's on. It sounds like it's caching video data to his system memory ( which would be VERY slow in comparison ) since he has only 1Gb of storage, or his OS drive is full and is unable to cache to it so it's targeting system memory.

Nothing bad could come from him formatting but 30 mins of his time for peace of mind.
Yeah, 30 minutes max for the Windows installation, and then possibly several hours spent remembering all the settings and customizations all over the place in various programs and in Windows, etc. Formatting and starting over is a last resort type of solution so I don't know why it's being recommended here.

"Oh man, my computer is using a lot of memory. Instead of trying to figure out what the problem is so that I can solve it for good, I'll just format and start over and then format and start over again the next time this problem comes up. Yeah, that's a great idea!"
 
#25 ·
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and 8 Gb's of ram is a suggestion, because 4Gb's would be pushing it. 8Gb's is perfectly fine for gaming
4gb isn't even enough for chrome... I held out as long as i could with just 4gb and if I had too many windows and tabs open (more than 4) it would give me a low memory warning.
 
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