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Hi, I'm currently saving for a new build as I had to sell my old one, I have decided to get kaby lake with new z270 motherboard and 16gb of 3400mhz of ram or anything above that, I have read online that the better your ram and obviously the better the CPU the better performance the igpu will be, my confusion/question is how exactly does a igpu work does it matter what ram I have and how big/quick it is to boost performance also the game I would be looking to play would be guild wars 2, some help/answers would be much appreciated thanks.
 
#2 ·
I''m not sure with Kaby Lake/ newer motherboard's but with current Sky lake/ current motherboard's 2400-3000Mhz ram seems to be "sweet" spot above that the difference becomes very small.
The on board graphics should be able play guild wars 2 fine but i would assume it will have it's limits, Most probably opt for you get an Add-on Video card
 
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I''m not sure with Kaby Lake/ newer motherboard's but with current Sky lake/ current motherboard's 2400-3000Mhz ram seems to be "sweet" spot above that the difference becomes very small.
The on board graphics should be able play guild wars 2 fine but i would assume it will have it's limits, Most probably opt for you get an Add-on Video card
I agree that I will get a GPU just need time to save for the one I want as its like almost 800 pounds lol madness but I like aio water cooled hardware, yeah I guess your right there isn't much of an improvement going above 3000mhz unless of course above 4000 but we don't know as of yet the performance of the new z270s, how does a igpu work ? Does it basically use your ram ? And if you have a decent amount say for talking sake I bought g.skill tridentz 32gb @3400mhz would that significantly increase the igpus graphics and run smoothly on 1920x1080p 60fps guild wars 2?
 
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Well Exxxlir i'm not sure if memory will have huge impact on the igpu. I would guess should be able too handle that game at those settings regardless of your memory, but someone with more knowledge about Igpu's probably will have to step-in since I have always used add-in video cards.
 
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Well Exxxlir i'm not sure if memory will have huge impact on the igpu. I would guess should be able too handle that game at those settings regardless of your memory, but someone with more knowledge about Igpu's probably will have to step-in since I have always used add-in video cards.
thanks for your input I have always used addon GPUs myself and when reading on the igpu section it has be a bit stumped also lol
 
#8 ·
Well I think you will be fine until your able too get an video card, and your Welcome
 
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I haven't seen any benchmarks for Kaby Lake's iGPU, but I'm not sure why you expect them to be much better than Skylake. I also don't know what improvements you expect Z270 to have over Z170. Kaby Lake is a Skylake refresh, not a new architecture or die shrink. Performance gains will be minimal. We're talking maybe slightly higher clock speeds. It will be like when the i7-4790K Devil's Canyon came out along with Z97 motherboards. If you're expecting gains in memory performance because of a new chipset, that makes little sense. Kaby Lake's IMC is like to be very similar to Skylake. After all, it's the same architecture, just a bit optimized. It's similar to steppings Intel used to release with older processors.
 
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Originally Posted by chessmyantidrug View Post

I haven't seen any benchmarks for Kaby Lake's iGPU, but I'm not sure why you expect them to be much better than Skylake. I also don't know what improvements you expect Z270 to have over Z170. Kaby Lake is a Skylake refresh, not a new architecture or die shrink. Performance gains will be minimal. We're talking maybe slightly higher clock speeds. It will be like when the i7-4790K Devil's Canyon came out along with Z97 motherboards. If you're expecting gains in memory performance because of a new chipset, that makes little sense. Kaby Lake's IMC is like to be very similar to Skylake. After all, it's the same architecture, just a bit optimized. It's similar to steppings Intel used to release with older processors.
I expect to see massive improvement because I don't a actually have a build of anything any more, the last rig I had was over a year back and it was a fx 8350 with a 280x toxic card, so im thinking to myself z270 and kaby lake because why would I buy skylake when the refresh is about to be released plus I only assumed about the memory z270 would deliver I didn't say I expect anything I've been reading a lot kaby lake is around the standard 5% improvement and z270 supports USB 3.1 that's what I've understood tone leaked so far and that's not even 100% accurate as they are not released, plus my question is about the igpu as I am wanting to find out if ram plays a huge factor for the performance to be a lot better for the igpu if that is the case and I could run the game I wish to play on it with full HD and 60fps I'm happy to save for a 1080 extreme water force aio card for my rig the z270 and kaby lake are only in the build as it will be the newest avaiable hardware to me for a decent budgeted price
 
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To answer your question, RAM speed does affect iGPU performance. It affects gaming performance overall. There's Z170 boards with USB 3.1 support and Z270 boards will support Skylake.

If price is a factor, going Kaby Lake doesn't make a lot of sense. It would be like spending extra for Broadwell-E when the performance difference doesn't justify the cost.
 
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To answer your question, RAM speed does affect iGPU performance. It affects gaming performance overall. There's Z170 boards with USB 3.1 support and Z270 boards will support Skylake.

If price is a factor, going Kaby Lake doesn't make a lot of sense. It would be like spending extra for Broadwell-E when the performance difference doesn't justify the cost.
i agree they both support 3.1 but I read a z170 needs additional hardware to make that work, plus there is 2 m.2 ssd connectors in a z270 and other "said" supportive components that I'm interested in, in terms of price I meant I have a budget I have put together for kaby lake and other products for my new build.

Thanks for answering the question about the ram because I will be happy to use the igpu on 1080p guild wars 2 @60fps until I save for my 1080gpu
 
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Several Z170 motherboards also have two M.2 ports. I don't know why you're trying to give Z270 credit for all these features Z170 already has.
 
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Several Z170 motherboards also have two M.2 ports. I don't know why you're trying to give Z270 credit for all these features Z170 already has.
im not trying to give it anything to be fair I'm just reading what I'm reading from sources online and I don't see the point in having my cash saved so far to buy a 2015 product when I can get a 2017 product by January.
 
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That's the thing: Kaby Lake is a 2015 product. It's optimized Skylake. It's the exact same architecture and lithography. Slapping a new code name on it doesn't make a new product. I guess this would be easier for you to accept if it was "leaked" elsewhere.
 
#16 ·
Did someone say.... Krappy lake? Heu heu.
 
#18 ·
As I would like to end the debate by saying what I asked in the first place which was only needing a simple yes or no answer or a in depth explanation of the subject does igpus run a lot better with more ram I.e 8gb or 32gb and does it run better with higher speed I.e 3400mhz, the reason for my question I have never used a igpu and I don't know how they work or what performance they bring to the table I could have done with a better explaination on that
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#19 ·
I don't think more RAM is necessarily more beneficial for iGPU, but faster RAM is.

It's clear you don't understand what "new" means. The only reason to wait for Kaby Lake Skylake Refresh is so Skylake prices drop.
 
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I don't think more RAM is necessarily more beneficial for iGPU, but faster RAM is.

It's clear you don't understand what "new" means. The only reason to wait for Kaby Lake Skylake Refresh is so Skylake prices drop.
Hi, I'm currently saving for a new build as I had to sell my old one, I have decided to get kaby lake with new z270 motherboard and 16gb of 3400mhz of ram or anything above that, I have read online that the better your ram and obviously the better the CPU the better performance the igpu will be, my confusion/question is how exactly does a igpu work does it matter what ram I have and how big/quick it is to boost performance also the game I would be looking to play would be guild wars 2, some help/answers would be much appreciated thanks.<<<< that was my first post I stated I have decided to go kaby lake your opinion is taken understood and to be fair all the things you have said to me I already know your making me out as if I'm stupid/thick which is beginning to bug me I know its not a new processor I know its not new architecture or anything that is not my point my point is I've saved my money for a new rig I decided to go kaby lake because I simply want the newest CPU on the market regardless of the architecture refresh or anything, my question was clearly about the igpu and that's what I wanted to know more about nothing else, now let's leave it at that thank you.
 
#21 ·
Then if your goal is to get the best iGPU on the market, get an i7-5775C. It's also a bit silly to buy a CPU specifically for iGPU performance. I'm really glad you saved up money for a new computer, but spending it on Kaby Lake Skylake Refresh just because it will have a more recent release date is not a very good reason. If you're looking to spend your money most efficiently, you would buy a Skylake processor. The only way Kaby Lake Skylake Refresh will be worth the money is if it's within $10 of the price of the Skylake parts they replace. Anything more than that and it's a less efficient allocation of funds. For reference, the i5-6600K and i7-6700K are currently available for $234.99 and $328.99 respectively. Expect those numbers to fall slightly as Kaby Lake Skylake Refresh approaches. If you don't care about spending your money efficiently, just buy Kaby Lake Skylake Refresh and overpriced RAM.

As far as making you out to be "stupid" or "thick," infer what you wish from my posts. I presented logic and facts. I'm sorry they conflict with what you want. In the future I'll just feed your misinformation so you feel better about yourself.
 
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A didn't ask for u to feed nothing, stop with the bs, I didn't say I was buying a CPU specifically for an igpu I was simply asking questions which your answers where not even remotely useful to me apart from having a ***** about a skylake refresh now go take your period somewhere else because I can't be bothered with a smart arse.
 
#23 ·
From what I could tell, I gave you the most useful answers in the thread. My apologies if you don't agree with facts. It's impossible to know how much extra money you'll spend for Skylake Refresh and Z270, but you can get pretty much what you want today once you accept that what you want is already available.
 
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