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[Yahoo] Pirated live streams may be over, thanks to Cisco

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Cisco has plans to stop you in your tracks - if you're illegally watching a pirated stream, that is. The San Jose-based company recently introduced a new technology known as Streaming Piracy Prevention, which"utilizes technology to locate illegal redistribution of content on the open internet and closed pirate networks." And apparently, it'll help Cisco deny access to illegal live streams, even if you're in the middle of watching it.
Source: https://www.yahoo.com/tech/watching-pirated-live-stream-cisco-174606160.html
 
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Originally Posted by DVLux View Post

So.... What, exactly, is an "illegal live stream"? Someone using their own streaming server to distribute pirated content?
There are some sites you can pay money to to watch things like a sports event streamed live. The only ones friends linked me to seemed kinda shady so I never used them, but I assume those would be pirated streams.
 
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Originally Posted by DVLux View Post

So.... What, exactly, is an "illegal live stream"? Someone using their own streaming server to distribute pirated content?
There are a number of sites that you can find tv series and movies on, you can watch like watching a video on Youtube.

Many of them are just link placeholders/portals to the actual video, and have a number of sources for each video. A big one, solarmovie, was closed recently along with a popular torrent site.

IMO, this sounds promising, but will not do much to impede those sites. Short of finding every person uploading files, I'm not sure how they could stop it.
 
#7 ·
As usual, instead of trying to shut it down at the sources, they just cut off the hydra head.

And 2 more heads rise, as a result. What a waste of money and effort.
 
#10 ·
So they're going to set up their own access restriction of sorts on people's own routers without their permission?

*pets netgear r7000 with advanced tomato* Eat a fat one Cisco.

Edit: and by fat one I mean bologna sandwich.
 
#12 ·
This isn't for your home routers guys, this is a service Cisco is offering to the companies who are "losing big".

This is also for pirated live streams, not stuff like downloaded torrents. There's places that are streaming cable channels, like say ESPN, live in HD. I think it's pretty reasonable to shut those down. It also sounds like they are going after the source of the stream, not the users.

I don't see how anyone can have a problem with it. I guess if you live in a country where that's the only way to get the content it kind of sucks, but you can probably download something an hour later still, instead of watching live.
 
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Originally Posted by Tokkan View Post

And will continue to be.
And should continue to be.
 
#16 ·
ISP upgrade, anything? Check out a DSLAM from AT&T or a Headend from Time Warner... I've seen both. Equipment works, but no one could call any of the important parts new in 90% of the backend or last mile sections. It's an "as-needed" thing. Even then, I wouldn't be surprised to see them scavenging from the bargain bin or wholesale supplies from decade old stuff.

My time with ISPs jaded me... as for Cisco, they're the reason I have a job now, so... good on em? lol
 
#17 ·
I'm just going out on a limb, but doesn't this sound like it uses deep packet inspection?

I was under the impression that there were rules concerning ISPs using this to monitor their customer's traffic, not to mention the fact that it could probably be easily circumvented with even rudimentary encryption.
 
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Originally Posted by Valor958 View Post

ISP upgrade, anything? Check out a DSLAM from AT&T or a Headend from Time Warner... I've seen both. Equipment works, but no one could call any of the important parts new in 90% of the backend or last mile sections. It's an "as-needed" thing. Even then, I wouldn't be surprised to see them scavenging from the bargain bin or wholesale supplies from decade old stuff.

My time with ISPs jaded me... as for Cisco, they're the reason I have a job now, so... good on em? lol
Come to western NY, we still have copper wires bro! We have thieves literally cutting down poles! The infrastructure is so ancient, I'm sure there's a telegraph or two somewhere.
 
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Originally Posted by lombardsoup View Post

Come to western NY, we still have copper wires bro! We have thieves literally cutting down poles! The infrastructure is so ancient, I'm sure there's a telegraph or two somewhere.
From my time at AT&T I hear its almost that bad in FL. But that is mainly due to the heavy oxidization the exposed lines see from the ocean air. Funny thing is, they replace the old copper every 2-3 years (per some business I spoke with frequently) with new copper... still exposed and failing non-stop LOL. This was really bad in St. Augustine apparently. Cheap solution that apparently doesn't cost them enough customers to make them improve their processes. Such is the way of business.
 
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Originally Posted by Valor958 View Post

ISP upgrade, anything? Check out a DSLAM from AT&T or a Headend from Time Warner... I've seen both. Equipment works, but no one could call any of the important parts new in 90% of the backend or last mile sections. It's an "as-needed" thing. Even then, I wouldn't be surprised to see them scavenging from the bargain bin or wholesale supplies from decade old stuff.

My time with ISPs jaded me... as for Cisco, they're the reason I have a job now, so... good on em? lol
You and me both, ISPs are a whole lot like that Sandiego smelling farts Southpark episode. They honestly don't even see that the crap they pull is awful and eploitative.
 
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Originally Posted by TheLAWNOOB View Post

You probably need to deploy this at ISP's routing stations. If companies in question want this, it's not going to be cheap to implement.
Save cable! Hire and exploit chinese child labor force!
Spending pennies to save potentially lost pennies!
 
#23 ·
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Originally Posted by Valor958 View Post

From my time at AT&T I hear its almost that bad in FL. But that is mainly due to the heavy oxidization the exposed lines see from the ocean air. Funny thing is, they replace the old copper every 2-3 years (per some business I spoke with frequently) with new copper... still exposed and failing non-stop LOL. This was really bad in St. Augustine apparently. Cheap solution that apparently doesn't cost them enough customers to make them improve their processes. Such is the way of business.
Similar situation, here its the snow and heavy rainfall that causes the issues. You'll have damaged lines sitting there for one to two months, and when they're finally reported, take another month to fix. Its a joke.
 
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Originally Posted by DIYDeath View Post

You and me both, ISPs are a whole lot like that Sandiego smelling farts Southpark episode. They honestly don't even see that the crap they pull is awful and eploitative.
I'm sure they see it, but just don't care. Bottom line is all that matters. TWC let me see some of the higher up stuff we aren't supposed to see... and I didn't like it since it was nothing but pointless bureaucracy you'd expect. ACTUAL improvement in ISPs that big is few and far between. Even the MAXX speed program TWC / Spectrum is rolling out has been possibly for years. They just didn't do it until now... because why bother? Costs money to upgrade so wait until you can make it look amazing and enter with a splash!
 
#25 ·
One thing people should have reaslized about humans & technology

for every discovery or new invention, there is always an opposite effect.

it's remarkably similar to newton's law "for every action there is an reaction"

everytime we make progress in security, there has always been an increased in hacking

everytime there has been progress in anti-piracy, there has always been and increase in piracy

everytime there has been an increase in inflation, there has been more street violence.

so, Cisco might have invented something to mitigate something, soon enough there will be something else to mitigate Cisco invention.

it's like dealing with kids and teenagers, you tell them to not do something, they will do it even more.

so instead of fighting the anti-piracy battle, perhaps the best way is to actually flood the internet with it, so much that people get tired of it.

it works the same way with kids and teenagers to you give what they want, they will end up not wanting it.

See, Netflix is doing a great job at legalizing video streams, they charge a very low fee, compared to local cable companies, but you get so much out of it, that you get bored until something good or news comes along to watch.

Steam amd GOG also did a great job with games, people used to pirate a lot of that before, but now you can have legit games for cheap during sales at Steam and GOG, there's no need to pirate anymore.

People like choices, and be able to get things easily, as long as the cost is not ridiculously priced, like local cable companies, then people will gladly pay it for the price of a beer and bag of chips.
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#26 ·
GG Cisco, that battle has been lost before it's even started.
 
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