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Worse aim with 3366 and 3360 sensor.

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#1 ·
I've tried them all the g303 ,g pro ,g 403 and the deathadder elite. Everytime i use this sensor i have trouble making small aiming adjustments.

Bit background on me .Ex- pro 1.6 player in my country and casual csgo player with over 4k hours and global elite. I am easily in the top 1 percent of aimers. I have thoroughly ruled out placebo.
I think stewie2k mentioned something similar on stream while using the gpro..Something about it not being sensitive enough...

Any reasons why this could be..

Again this is only with small adjustments..Flicks seem fine..I think...

I play fine with the 3310 and the 3090..

Only 3310 sensor i didn't like was the one in the ec2-a it seemed rather sluggish for some reason.

Hell even the 9800 in the sensei raw feels better than this..
 
#10 ·
sensor position, weight distribution, button pressure requirement (different even with the same switches and shell design due to manufacturing variances), skate/glide quality, cord influence on mouse movement (even with a bungie), firmware things (button latency, smoothing, etc), lense rattle (shell specific and invisible because it's inside), psychological elements that shouldn't affect your aim but do (scrollwheel rattle, surface texture, button click sound/feeling), etc.
 
#12 ·
Doubt it..I've been able to aim with mice i absolutely hated..

ec2-evo --- hated the button delay and scroll wheel..Could aim.
Rival---- Hated pretty much everything from shape to clicks..Grips were super slippery for me... Could aim.
deathadder-- Hated the weight .Grips where like ice for my sweaty hands...could aim
zowie fk--Hated the clicks...could aim
sensei raw--Hated the sensor ..Could aim.
zowie za13-- hated the clicks and narrow grip...Could aim.
g400s-Hated the weight and the clicks(for tapping)..Could aim..
mionix avior--Hated the weight and shape..could aim
intelli 3.0--Could aim..

etc.. etc...
I check for sensor rattle in all my mice so thats not a factor..

I love everything about the g pro and g403...Just cant aim with this sensor lol...All the new mice are coming out with it too lol..
 
#16 ·
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Originally Posted by oODopamineOo View Post

I've tried them all the g303 ,g pro ,g 403 and the deathadder elite. Everytime i use this sensor i have trouble making small aiming adjustments.

Bit background on me .Ex- pro 1.6 player in my country and casual csgo player with over 4k hours and global elite. I am easily in the top 1 percent of aimers. I have thoroughly ruled out placebo.
I think stewie2k mentioned something similar on stream while using the gpro..Something about it not being sensitive enough...

Any reasons why this could be..

Again this is only with small adjustments..Flicks seem fine..I think...

I play fine with the 3310 and the 3090..

Only 3310 sensor i didn't like was the one in the ec2-a it seemed rather sluggish for some reason.

Hell even the 9800 in the sensei raw feels better than this..
I mentioned this years ago and got flamed incredulously for it.
The Deathadder Black Edition mouse has pixel aiming acceleration/compensation/processing--call it whatever you want to call it, where the mouse cursor has processing to pickup changes in direction right away, making it easier to aim at individual pixels if you're a low sensitivity player. I don't know if this applies for the original 3.5G, but the ORIGINAL 1800 DPI 3G deathadder (no idea about the unreleased V1, but the V2 and V3 versions did not) did NOT have this compensation. I assume the Chroma and Elite do the same thing as the Black Edition, which is why people say it 'feels more accurate'.

The 1800 3G Deathadder feels like the 3366/3360 at 1600 DPI with regards to overall sensitivity and movement required to change direction a pixel. Unlike the black edition, the 3G deathadder required more "movement" when changing direction, just like the G502 when I tested that. They both seemed to act the same. The Black Edition DA required much less movement.

Of course, if you run the 3366 at 6000 DPI, then of course it will pick up pixel movements much faster, but at the cost of much higher sensitivity.

What someone needs to do is to actually TEST a new Deathadder and a 3366 and test how much "movement" is required for each pixel during steady directional movement and how much movement is required for a "change" in direction, with both mice at comparable DPI.

I just hope I wont get flamed for this AGAIN.
 
#17 ·
I can relate to being unable to aim well with the G403, G Pro and DA Elite (didn't use DA enough to develop a final opinion). After experimenting with these mice and my EC2-A I've noticed the way the braided cables drag on my table affect my aim. The Zowie cable is almost unnoticeable in comparison. And I don't like bungies because they're too restrictive.The feet on the Logitech mice feel okay, but EC2-A glides much better imo. It feels like I can make more precise movements with the EC than any of these other mice despite the G403 feeling comfortable in my hand. When I tried the G303 a few months ago I don't remember it feeling like this, just that the shape wasn't right.

Hope this helps

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Originally Posted by plyr View Post

I have the same problem with 3360/6, the sensor feels too sensitive. I get better results with 500hz and raw input off.
This, but lowering sens did nothing for me.
 
#18 ·
Last I heard, deathadder elite isn't a 3366/3360.

Personally I'm finding sensor angle to be a huge thing now. G403 has a very interesting angle, I can't get consistent with it. I suspect G pro's shape makes it hard to have a consistent angle, especially with my fingertip grip. G303 is just right even though the shape is strange. No clue if that's your problem though.
 
#21 ·
Perhaps you're accustomed to some sort of smoothing agent or something. Modern sensors may not have such devices in place to handle/compensate for so much power. My suggestion is to return to one of your preferred mice of old and reclaim the authority over your shots (downside being the sensor lag).
 
#22 ·
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Originally Posted by plyr View Post

I have the same problem 3360/6, the sensor feels too sensitive. I get better results with 500hz and raw input off.
I always use rawinput off in csgo
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Originally Posted by plyr View Post

I have the same problem with 3360/6, the sensor feels too sensitive. I get better results with 500hz and raw input off.
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Originally Posted by oODopamineOo View Post

Doubt it..I've been able to aim with mice i absolutely hated..

ec2-evo --- hated the button delay and scroll wheel..Could aim.
Rival---- Hated pretty much everything from shape to clicks..Grips were super slippery for me... Could aim.
deathadder-- Hated the weight .Grips where like ice for my sweaty hands...could aim
zowie fk--Hated the clicks...could aim
sensei raw--Hated the sensor ..Could aim.
zowie za13-- hated the clicks and narrow grip...Could aim.
g400s-Hated the weight and the clicks(for tapping)..Could aim..
mionix avior--Hated the weight and shape..could aim
intelli 3.0--Could aim..

etc.. etc...
I check for sensor rattle in all my mice so thats not a factor..

I love everything about the g pro and g403...Just cant aim with this sensor lol...All the new mice are coming out with it too lol..
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Originally Posted by Maximillion View Post

Perhaps you're accustomed to some sort of smoothing agent or something. Modern sensors may not have such devices in place to handle/compensate for so much power. My suggestion is to return to one of your preferred mice of old and reclaim the authority over your shots (downside being the sensor lag).
I don't think the 3.0 has any smoothening..I might be wrong..
 
#24 ·
Probably sensor position.
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Originally Posted by Falkentyne View Post

I mentioned this years ago and got flamed incredulously for it.
The Deathadder Black Edition mouse has pixel aiming acceleration/compensation/processing--call it whatever you want to call it, where the mouse cursor has processing to pickup changes in direction right away, making it easier to aim at individual pixels if you're a low sensitivity player.
Is this legit? I mean I've used a 3.5 g and a chroma and while they were definitely among the best feeling mouse I've used, I honestly dont think it was much "faster" than AM010 or 3366.
 
#25 ·
Quote:
Originally Posted by Falkentyne View Post

I mentioned this years ago and got flamed incredulously for it.
The Deathadder Black Edition mouse has pixel aiming acceleration/compensation/processing--call it whatever you want to call it, where the mouse cursor has processing to pickup changes in direction right away, making it easier to aim at individual pixels if you're a low sensitivity player. I don't know if this applies for the original 3.5G, but the ORIGINAL 1800 DPI 3G deathadder (no idea about the unreleased V1, but the V2 and V3 versions did not) did NOT have this compensation. I assume the Chroma and Elite do the same thing as the Black Edition, which is why people say it 'feels more accurate'.

The 1800 3G Deathadder feels like the 3366/3360 at 1600 DPI with regards to overall sensitivity and movement required to change direction a pixel. Unlike the black edition, the 3G deathadder required more "movement" when changing direction, just like the G502 when I tested that. They both seemed to act the same. The Black Edition DA required much less movement.

Of course, if you run the 3366 at 6000 DPI, then of course it will pick up pixel movements much faster, but at the cost of much higher sensitivity.

What someone needs to do is to actually TEST a new Deathadder and a 3366 and test how much "movement" is required for each pixel during steady directional movement and how much movement is required for a "change" in direction, with both mice at comparable DPI.

I just hope I wont get flamed for this AGAIN.
Using the DA elite here - it feels for sure differnt than logitechs 3366 and the 3310.. it feels like accel sort of but the mouse always lands in the same spot when doing a 180/360 - I figure any inconsistency with it that I'm having is just the braided cable drag (making my movement a pinch slower causing a miss) and just not being used to the shape - plus it's in 500hz so I assume that slows it down a little

Weird thing is I know for a fact my sens gives me a 360 degree turn across the full qck heavy and now I'm using a bigger pad and it takes the whole pad to do the same 360 - so maybe the 800 dpi on this mouse is less than the ec2 (aka set to 800 dpi, and ec2 would be like 870 - while this one may be closer to 800 or possibly 780)

The sensor on the DA elite reminds me of the g9x - very snappy similar to all laser sensors but it's more consistent - I'm trying to get used to it but it's very twitchy(picks up every movement) in CS I can aim pretty good with it but with my higher sens in OW I'm trying to improve it practicing - it was a lot more effortless using the ec2... so yeah I'm giving it a shot - their new sensor is for sure unlike any other optical I've used.

I'm curious if 1000hz is stable on this mouse like the 3366 is, but the 500hz is so damn snappy that I have no reason to get synapse heh

edit: A good way to explain how the sensor feels is when you want to make a 'tight' shot - it's as if the sensor slows down and becomes very precise - then when you flick it's just as if it flicks instantly to the location you swiped while skipping the inbetween movement - obviously that's not what happens but that is what it feels like. I'm curious if it's just the sensor position at play with the width making steady aiming seem more 'precise'
 
#26 ·
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Originally Posted by realistic01 View Post

Probably sensor position.
Is this legit? I mean I've used a 3.5 g and a chroma and while they were definitely among the best feeling mouse I've used, I honestly dont think it was much "faster" than AM010 or 3366.
I never used a 3.5g, just the black edition. But they used the same sensor, but the firmware isn't crossflashable so I guess a different srom, I don't know if the pixel direction switch response is the same, but I do know I used to pixel aim with the black edition in league of legends to aim at the corner of brush spots to glitch pink wards, and I could do it extremely easily with the black edition. With the G502, it required more 'movement' if I switched direction and it was very, very noticeable. That's when I first noticed the problem.

I then tested the original 3G deathadder I had sitting around, at 1800 dpi and it responded like the G502 in how fast it switched directions when pixel aiming. The Black Edition 1800 dpi responded almost instantly, unlike the others.
 
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