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Subbed. biggrin.gif Quick question: what's DR companies' policy on being offered drives for free?

Why do I ask? I have a habit of collecting dead drives; I know you guys/gals have spare heads/motors/PCBs etc on tap for reconstruction purposes. Last time I had 17 drives in various conditions which were no longer wanted/needed - damaged, dead, clicking or simply too small (I DBAN'd the working ones). I called a few places and just got "umm, aahhh, umm", nothing concrete.

Eventually, I got frustrated so they ended up at a disposal company who put them through a crusher, which was not what I wanted. So, will DR companies accept drives for spare parts?

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Drive 1 head 1 is weak...

What do you mean by this? An issue with the actuator or the head itself?
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The other one is protesting but I have it reading backwards.

As in reading from the inside of the drive to the outside?
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The drive right now is spilling its last remaining data (already imaged off the good surfaces).

Are you saying that the recovery equipment you use can take data from specific pairs of heads? Individual heads?
Edited by parityboy - 11/18/16 at 4:21am
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HAHA. Axi is my buddy. Hell, when I get into OCN's teamspeak (which is rare D:) it is always a good time.

Ah man you need to visit more.

There's, like, nobody online, usually, but we've all got Steam open. thumb.gif

 

Only thing on OCN TeamSpeak anymore is the PodCast when it was running, every time I poked my head in, it was empty.  Like right now, just checked, empty...

 

 

 

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Thanks. it is nice being at a job I actually enjoy again. Plus, my new bosses are freaking amazing. Hell, every now and then we are treated to lunch by the owner! w00t!!!! Plus, you have an issue? Voice it. Got a better idea? Bring it up. Need something for a job? Let them know and buy it. Sressful but the good kind of stress.

 

Well I'm glad you found yourself a good job, I'm the in the same boat where I recently switched jobs a month ago and couldn't be happier.

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@OP

Subbed. biggrin.gif Quick question: what's DR companies' policy on being offered drives for free?

Why do I ask? I have a habit of collecting dead drives; I know you guys/gals have spare heads/motors/PCBs etc on tap for reconstruction purposes. Last time I had 17 drives in various conditions which were no longer wanted/needed - damaged, dead, clicking or simply too small (I DBAN'd the working ones). I called a few places and just got "umm, aahhh, umm", nothing concrete.

Eventually, I got frustrated so they ended up at a disposal company who put them through a crusher, which was not what I wanted. So, will DR companies accept drives for spare parts?

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Drive 1 head 1 is weak...


What do you mean by this? An issue with the actuator or the head itself?
Hard drives have platters and heads. Think of them like a high tech record player. These particular drives are Seagate ST3000DM001s. They have 3 platters and 6 heads. Each head on the end of the armature (AKA HSA) has actually 2 heads: read and write. The read head is all I care about and is the most important. When a head goes bad it stops reading or has a hell of a time reading (meaning it runs REALLY slowly and encounters errors more often). If there are errors on a weak head, a lot of time you can go back and re-read those unreadable sectors and it reads fine. However, in this case, head 1 was so weak that it just constantly read with errors and would occasionally read okay. Once a head exchange was performed from a donor drive it read fine. Went for over 27000 unreadable sectors to 108. Plus, I did not get a full image either. All the sectors head 1 was in charge of were bascially unread. Went back over them after the head exchange and completed the image.
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The other one is protesting but I have it reading backwards.

As in reading from the inside of the drive to the outside?
It is a bit more complicated than that. I am having the drive read in reverse in regards to starting and ending LBA. So, if a drive has 100 sectors, instead of reading at sector 0 I start at sector 100 and read backward. This is rather helpful because reading backward is not only a LOT slower but also tricks the drive because its firmware doesn't understand what it is actually reading. It allows me to avoid any kind of possible issues in regards to false ECC or integrity checks.
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The drive right now is spilling its last remaining data (already imaged off the good surfaces).

Are you saying that the recovery equipment you use can take data from specific pairs of heads? Individual heads?

Yes, you are correct. I can invidually turn off heads as need be. Hell, i can do a lot more than just that. A LOT more. I describe it as having the ability to make a hard drive dance in the palm of my hand.
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HAHA. Axi is my buddy. Hell, when I get into OCN's teamspeak (which is rare D:) it is always a good time.


Ah man you need to visit more.


There's, like, nobody online, usually, but we've all got Steam open. thumb.gif

Only thing on OCN TeamSpeak anymore is the PodCast when it was running, every time I poked my head in, it was empty.  Like right now, just checked, empty...

I know... frown.gif You should come onto my teamspeak whenever you want. There are usually people there (inculding myself). ts3.protocol.black
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Thanks. it is nice being at a job I actually enjoy again. Plus, my new bosses are freaking amazing. Hell, every now and then we are treated to lunch by the owner! w00t!!!! Plus, you have an issue? Voice it. Got a better idea? Bring it up. Need something for a job? Let them know and buy it. Sressful but the good kind of stress.

Well I'm glad you found yourself a good job, I'm the in the same boat where I recently switched jobs a month ago and couldn't be happier.
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You guys know that RAID? Yep, got data.

Do you guys want me to go into a little more detail as to what exactly went wrong and what had to be done to recover it? I won't go step by step but I will get into detail.
 
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@Lord Xeb

Many thanks for the explanation. It actually helps me to firm up a theory I have that some drives are actually larger drives with defective platters; i.e.a 3TB drive is actually a 4TB drive with a flaky platter thrown in to recoup some of the investment from poor yields, a bit like AMD with their 3-core processors. Or that some drives actually have the platters of larger drives, but "short-stroked" in the firmware to give a lower usable capacity - the transfer speeds (indicator of areal density at a given rotational speed) are a bit of a clue.

The first theory is why I stay away from 1.5TB (2TB), 3TB (4TB) and 6TB (8TB) drives.

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AMD hasn't had tri-core anything for yeeeeaaars.

They have, however, had tri-module stuff thanks to Bulldozer. tongue.gif

As for drives, I'm not sure if they're flaky platters or not. I've seen some claims that they just don't install the recording heads for one side. Xeb would probably be able to confirm/refute this.
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Hey Parity,
You actually are correct. Hard drives have 2 defect lists: G-List and P-List

The P-List (Primary List) is created at factory for any defects on the platter(s). G-List is the Growing List. Meaning the defects (bad sectors) the drive encounters over its life.
 
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You guys know that RAID? Yep, got data.

Do you guys want me to go into a little more detail as to what exactly went wrong and what had to be done to recover it? I won't go step by step but I will get into detail.

Absolutely go into detail. 'Twould be a learning experience.
     
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Originally Posted by Lord Xeb View Post

You guys know that RAID? Yep, got data.

Do you guys want me to go into a little more detail as to what exactly went wrong and what had to be done to recover it? I won't go step by step but I will get into detail.
That would be enjoyable. smile.gif
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Absolutely go into detail. 'Twould be a learning experience.

I think this guy should sub too. tongue.gif
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