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You sir deserve a boot to the head.

 

Silly Storage Noobs....

 

I like my Raid 6 with 8 3 TB drives.  I just set up a main partition and a back-up partition on it so that I have double back-up on it.

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What? Why would you back up your RAIDed partition on a cloned partition on the same array?
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You sir deserve a boot to the head.

Actually, he does bring up some very valid points. Most people will not consider backups to be important until they do lose a bunch of data, sometimes not even then (I'm frequently asked if my rather anal backup scheme is due to . Making and maintaining backups does cost money, something most people don't have an abundance of laying around so we see people increasing storage space without also budgeting for the space needed for backups.

Sadly, many, if not most, otherwise very knowledgeable people (including geeks who should know better) do not understand how vital proper backups are or even know what is needed for a proper backup. One common fallacy is HDDs will always give a warning before failing. Another one is that data can always be recovered from a failed drive. If nothing else, this thread can show how wrong both concepts are and the costs (monetarily and otherwise) involved in believing in them.
     
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You sir deserve a boot to the head.

Silly Storage Noobs....

I like my Raid 6 with 8 3 TB drives.  I just set up a main partition and a back-up partition on it so that I have double back-up on it.

Amazing! I can't even finish typing my previous post (yes, I type slowly; I have learning disabilities) and someone jumps in with a post to back up a sentence in my previous post (Sadly, many, if not most, otherwise very knowledgeable people (including geeks who should know better) do not understand how vital proper backups are or even know what is needed for a proper backup).

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What? Why would you back up your RAIDed partition on a cloned partition on the same array?

Exactly! axipher doesn't state if his RAID 6 is in his computer itself or in a NAS but, what he described is essentially a clumsy nested RAID. Putting a backup on the same machine that is being backed up is still leaving data exposed to theft, current surges and voltage spikes (surge arrestors, while certainly better than nothing, can and do fail) that blow out all the drives, etc., malware infections, theft, fire, flood, and other natural (and unnatural) disasters, etc. However, what do I know? I worked in warehousing half of my life, spending more time driving forklifts and cranes than driving computers (actually, we didn't even have access to computers for much of the time) so, rather than trust me, click on the first link in my sig below and read what Sean Webster, who makes a living working with HDDs, SSDs, etc. and is considered OCN's resident drive guru (our beloved Xebbie is right up there with him) has to say about it.
     
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You sir deserve a boot to the head.

Silly Storage Noobs....

I like my Raid 6 with 8 3 TB drives.  I just set up a main partition and a back-up partition on it so that I have double back-up on it.

Amazing! I can't even finish typing my previous post (yes, I type slowly; I have learning disabilities) and someone jumps in with a post to back up a sentence in my previous post (Sadly, many, if not most, otherwise very knowledgeable people (including geeks who should know better) do not understand how vital proper backups are or even know what is needed for a proper backup).
 
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What? Why would you back up your RAIDed partition on a cloned partition on the same array?

Exactly! axipher doesn't state if his RAID 6 is in his computer itself or in a NAS but, what he described is essentially a clumsy nested RAID. Putting a backup on the same machine that is being backed up is still leaving data exposed to theft, current surges and voltage spikes (surge arrestors, while certainly better than nothing, can and do fail) that blow out all the drives, etc., malware infections, theft, fire, flood, and other natural (and unnatural) disasters, etc. However, what do I know? I worked in warehousing half of my life, spending more time driving forklifts and cranes than driving computers (actually, we didn't even have access to computers for much of the time) so, rather than trust me, click on the first link in my sig below and read what Sean Webster, who makes a living working with HDDs, SSDs, etc. and is considered OCN's resident drive guru (our beloved Xebbie is right up there with him) has to say about it.

 

I'm hoping my sarcasm was somewhat picked up.  I was actually taking a jab at a friend of mine who argued till he was blue in the face that separate partitions are acceptable...

 

Personally, I make use of 10 TB of OneDrive storage to back everything up to along side a NAS at home (UnRaid XFS, not the best disk parity system, but double parity drives has served me well so far).  And nothing will ever beat monthly archives of all my Documents and pictures to DVD-R Archive grade and in to a Fire-Box.

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Actually, he does bring up some very valid points. Most people will not consider backups to be important until they do lose a bunch of data, sometimes not even then (I'm frequently asked if my rather anal backup scheme is due to . Making and maintaining backups does cost money, something most people don't have an abundance of laying around so we see people increasing storage space without also budgeting for the space needed for backups.

Sadly, many, if not most, otherwise very knowledgeable people (including geeks who should know better) do not understand how vital proper backups are or even know what is needed for a proper backup. One common fallacy is HDDs will always give a warning before failing. Another one is that data can always be recovered from a failed drive. If nothing else, this thread can show how wrong both concepts are and the costs (monetarily and otherwise) involved in believing in them.

There are those who never lost data, yet. And those who have lost data and do backups.
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I know plenty of people who lost data but still did not proceed to back up... At my old job it was a frequent occurrence usually by some teen who was not responsible.
 
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I know plenty of people who lost data but still did not proceed to back up... At my old job it was a frequent occurrence usually by some teen who was not responsible.

Teenagers are literally the worst.


I've only managed to kill one drive so far. Fortunately it had been imaged earlier in the day to different drives and the death was me sticking it in an external case.

I did acquire a couple flash drives yesterday for archiving my projects and whatnot, and I have an RPi and enough knowledge of Bash to set up an archive box. If I had the cash I'd definitely go the NAS route, but 128GB is enough for my purposes.
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