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Yes basically they are sticks of gum. Back in 2015 I paid $500 for an SM951, and ever since I have to remind myself to be careful when I handle it, it seems something so small and light can't be worth that much.

I also have a 950, and experimented with RAIDing them. But new plan is to get at least one more drive (or two or three if I sell one or two of the existing ones) so I can RAID two together and have a separate non-RAID boot drive. I decided I don't want to trust my valuable data to a single device, whether it has moving parts or not, so I will RAID 1 two M.2 drives together via Storage Spaces using ReFS. Since this is not bootable, need another M.2 to hold Windows. Ideally all three of these should be 960 Pros, but the boot drive may need to remain the existing 950 if the 960 really removes legacy BIOS boot.

A side benefit will be that the M.2 RAID will be even higher performance than a single M.2 for some benchmarks at least (since with striping, RAID 1 reads as fast as RAID 0 while still writing as fast as a single drive), and plenty fast for my purposes in the others.

Personally, I don't expect Optane to be 1) available + 2) faster + 3) affordable compared to M.2 for 2-5 years, so I am building the best system I can now (on top of my existing components) in the expectation that I will be using it for a long while.
Edited by mnoc - 11/30/16 at 4:26pm
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Yes basically they are sticks of gum. Back in 2015 I paid $500 for an SM951, and ever since I have to remind myself to be careful when I handle it, it seems something so small and light can't be worth that much.

I also have a 950, and experimented with RAIDing them. But new plan is to get at least one more drive (or two or three if I sell one or two of the existing ones) so I can RAID two together and have a separate non-RAID boot drive. I decided I don't want to trust my valuable data to a single device, whether it has moving parts or not, so I will RAID 1 two M.2 drives together via Storage Spaces using ReFS. Since this is not bootable, need another M.2 to hold Windows. Ideally all three of these should be 960 Pros, but the boot drive may need to remain the existing 950 if the 960 really removes legacy BIOS boot.

A side benefit will be that the M.2 RAID will be even higher performance than a single M.2 for some benchmarks at least (since with striping, RAID 1 reads as fast as RAID 0 while still writing as fast as a single drive), and plenty fast for my purposes in the others.

Personally, I don't expect Optane to be 1) available + 2) faster + 3) affordable compared to M.2 for 2-5 years, so I am building the best system I can now (on top of my existing components) in the expectation that I will be using it for a long while.

Since the 1990's I raided everything and it took me until the 850's to realize I no longer needed to do it. Now, that you mention how fast these are, even when raided it is making me think twice about it, haha. However, I just dont have enough super important data to worry about storing on drives, so I use cloud for the really important stuff I can't lose. And my server has 6TB (3x2TB) of spinning drives, which would suck if they break down, but with monitoring software I sure hope I catch it before they do die like I did earlier this year. I didn't lose one bit of data although the drive dropped to 40% health, lol. It took 3 days to pull the data off of that drive though.

Someday I hope we see 10tb SSD's for prices like $120, and I hope that day is soon, not 20 years from now.

Oh, and with SSD's that small you would think that they could now bundle motherboards with storage space already on them? Dads gigabyte board has 20GB of space soldered to it but I think it is slow sata intel drive, not something taking advantage of the PCIe bus.
Edited by }SkOrPn--' - 11/30/16 at 4:56pm
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post #23 of 1814
I bought my 960 EVO 500gb, waiting on it for like a month as I sold my 950 PRO 250 gb.
Nowhere in stock, but I found where and I just needed to buy it now tongue.gif
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Hi Guys, I have the 960 Pro (512GB) in my new pc (a Gigabyte X99P-SLI motherboard with 6800K). I hope you don't mind that I'm noticing two issues I hope someone can help with or perhaps others with the 960 can comment on too.

1. My speeds are around 1500MB/s read/write using ATTO, Samsung's Magician and CrystalDiskMark. The Magician software (v5) is saying the drive is running at PCIe x4 Gen 2 instead of Gen 3. In the BIOS, I forced the PCI slots to run at Gen 3 so I'm out of options for what could be wrong.

2. The Magician software (v5) isn't recognizing my drive even though Samsung says the 960 Pro/EVO should fully support it.

I'm currently running Windows 7 Pro with all the latest updates and using Samsung NVMe driver (v2). I'll take screenshots later today if helpful.

If you guys are curious about the 960 Pro and want me to try anything let me know as well.


UPDATE: I'm going to try this disabling using XMP profile as per shadowrain response here and perhaps not OC the processor and see what happens: http://www.overclock.net/t/1579581/official-samsung-950-pro-owners-club/1710

UPDATE 2: I disabled CSM (eventhough that option only appears if I say I'm running Windows 8/10)
UPDATE 3: I enabled XHCI Hand-Off

Result: still PCIe Gen 2 x4
Edited by 460X - 12/2/16 at 10:51am
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Hey }SkOrPn--' just a quick run with magician for you atm still sorting things out this end before i start running ATTO and crystal

post #26 of 1814
Received my new 960Pro 1TB yesterday. Finally. What a wait. 4 different companies with ever changing due dates, constantly moving out.

These things are as rare as hens teeth here in Australia (and the rest of the world).

Build date on the box shows: 2016 11 12

From boot to screen 5 seconds.

Fresh install of Win10 via USB 3.0 drive was 1 minute 58 seconds biggrin.gif

So far very happy. It is my main drive. Secondary drive is my 850 Evo 1TB that was built in early November as well.

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Hi Guys, I have the 960 Pro (512GB) in my new pc (a Gigabyte X99P-SLI motherboard with 6800K). I hope you don't mind that I'm noticing two issues I hope someone can help with or perhaps others with the 960 can comment on too.

1. My speeds are around 1500MB/s read/write using ATTO, Samsung's Magician and CrystalDiskMark. The Magician software (v5) is saying the drive is running at PCIe x4 Gen 2 instead of Gen 3. In the BIOS, I forced the PCI slots to run at Gen 3 so I'm out of options for what could be wrong.

2. The Magician software (v5) isn't recognizing my drive even though Samsung says the 960 Pro/EVO should fully support it.

I'm currently running Windows 7 Pro with all the latest updates and using Samsung NVMe driver (v2). I'll take screenshots later today if helpful.

If you guys are curious about the 960 Pro and want me to try anything let me know as well.


UPDATE: I'm going to try this disabling using XMP profile as per shadowrain response here and perhaps not OC the processor and see what happens: http://www.overclock.net/t/1579581/official-samsung-950-pro-owners-club/1710

I had the exact same issue. Got my 1TB and was running at Gen 2.0 x 4. Removing the overclock overclock resolved the issue. Seems that with some overclocks, if not fully stable can cause instability with the M.2 drive and in order to maintain function will drop down ti Gen 2.0 x 4 from 3.0. I found once I got things working a clear of the CMOS and dialling in my overclock settings again got things working smoothly.
     
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No luck, I removed all OC on the processor and the XMP Profile on the Ram - everything is running at stock (including the CPU Mode switch on the motherboard to Normal/Stock mode). No difference. I cleared the CMOS, rebooted, loaded optimized defaults settings per manual, booted up and still Gen 2. This is on fresh Windows 7 Pro install too with all latest updates. BIOS updated to latest too from Gigatype (v F23).

Tried both driver versions found here:




Edited by 460X - 12/1/16 at 8:07pm
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Owner of 512G here.

Magician 5.0 seems to have been rolled out and support 960 Pro series as of today.

Are there any Docker on Windows users here? I find Docker and Samsung NVME driver 2.0 don't get along. After installing the driver, I can't get Docker to start properly, nor can create a Hyper-V VM. Everything's fine once I uninstall the driver and Microsoft stock driver works fine.

Also, does anybody know how to encrypt the SSD? I've been told the SSD comes with encryption but I don't know how to enable it.

Thanks
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No luck, I removed all OC on the processor and the XMP Profile on the Ram - everything is running at stock (including the CPU Mode switch on the motherboard to Normal/Stock mode). No difference. I cleared the CMOS, rebooted, loaded optimized defaults settings per manual, booted up and still Gen 2. This is on fresh Windows 7 Pro install too with all latest updates. BIOS updated to latest too from Gigatype (v F23).

Tried both driver versions found here:


I wonder why it says your drive is not supported and if that makes a difference at all? Doubt it, but this is what I see on my summery screen. Using the same driver as you 2.0.0.1607

     
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