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#1 ·
Hello everyone. I need some help with fixing problem with mice. When i place my cursor at some object in any game(Quake,CS:Source,TF2) and move my mouse at the speed i move it in real game(measured with Enotus Mouse Test: 1.4 m/s - 1.7m/s) without replacing mouse after each 180 degrees swipe at the center of mouse pad, like 6-8 times (each 180 degrees movement counts) my crosshair end up looking instead of right in front of me - looking into the ground. But when i move mouse very slow - up to 0.5 m/s for example, this doesnt happen.

Showed what i mean exactly on the picture below:



Hardware info:
Mice: za13, logitech G pro (both produce this, No sensor rattles)
Polling rate: 1000hz ( changing it didnt help)
Windows 7 (reinstalling Windows didnt help, even different version of Win 7)
MarkC fix installed( uninstalling didnt help)
Nvidia 372.70 (changing nvidia driver version didnt help)
Mouse Software: Not Installed

in-Game Info:
250-300fps
Vsync-Off
No fps dropes or spiked

PLS reply if you know how to fix it.
 
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#3 ·
Ye, i thought like this, thats why tried to place mouse at the bottom of mousepad and move it perfectly with two fingers only so i ll not grip it any kind(finger, claw, palm or mixed one) and affect by this the movement.

I forgot to mention that, if i move mices very slow - 0.5m/s or slower they are sure will not produce this weird movement issue.
 
#4 ·
It's obviously your movement and not your mouse. You are rotating your mouse as you try to strafe it. You're better off just pivoting your mouse with your wrist instead and it'll have less error than strafing, given your motion, since your rotation gets cancelled out by virtue of tangential motion.
 
#5 ·
Thanks by reply, but read again what i wrote, i dont grip mouse so no pivoting happens, just left and right, and on low speeds (0.5m/s or lower) it stops exactly at point i started. But when i move mouse faster(not super fast, that my movement became inaccuare, even by using only 2 fingers without gripping it), at speed about 1.2m/s it is looking much lower than it should, and after same 6 movements,i end up aiming at my feets.
Maybe i m wrong, but i dont remember such thing while i was using Win XP,though it was while ago. Can someone test it also, maybe on Win 8 or 10.
 
#6 ·
Read again. I said that you're better off pivoting than trying to strafe it because you (and the human hand in general) suck at monitoring movement.

You will end up accumulating rotational error when you try to strafe it, whereas if you pivot instead you'll cancel them out.

The only proper way of strafing the mouse without any rotational error is to amplify your motion, i.e. put a piece of clear tape across the bottom of the mouse over the sensor and pull on the tape for horizontal motion. The longer the tape, the more amplified your rotational error becomes, hence easier to monitor than your clumsy human hand.
 
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#7 ·
the mark c fix fixes all mouse movement issues so you should just keep installing it until it fixes all your mouse related problems
that is clearly the issue
you must install the mark c fix for any mouse related problem
it's the only way to get 1:1 mouse movement
install the mark c fix again
 
#8 ·
Bucake, reinstalled it, doesnt help me for some reason.

daniel0731ex,as i said it depends on speed of mouse movement not the way i move the mouse. The reason i decided to test it was, when i installed tf2 after not playing in it for long time, i went to tr_rocket_shooting map, where u can train your air-shots, and when i started to trying it ( most dependent by vertical-diagonal movements of mouse) i felt that something was wrong about my mice, when i was trying to aim up( all movements where faster than usual vertical-diagonall movements in other games, and you usually aim in other games left right mainly, and sometimes down with fast movement speed), i needed to put much more force to move mouse at the same distance like i do with slow vertical-diagonall movements (i play with same sens for years, so i know how it should feel) and compared to this, when i was aiming down vertically-diagonally, it was much easier to move mice, then i do usually. While ago i didnt feel this, like something is sitting on your crosshair, and pushing it down, so vertical-diagonal upwards movementsare really slowed down. That's why i m sure this is not my arm movements, or wrist or something else.(Both ways, using just two fingers, gripping mouse and pivoting with it, and so on).
Btw it is not mousepad problem: dirty or smthing, old one and brand new one, both do it.
 
#9 ·
Well I hope you have some kind of machine
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Originally Posted by Bucake View Post

the mark c fix fixes all mouse movement issues so you should just keep installing it until it fixes all your mouse related problems
that is clearly the issue
you must install the mark c fix for any mouse related problem
it's the only way to get 1:1 mouse movement
install the mark c fix again
Every time
 
#11 ·
daniel0731ex , because before, when i was playing same games on Win XP, i didnt experience this at all, just never. And sorry, but you dont give the advice how to fix it, and dont give some good information, so, daniel0731ex, stop replying to this pls, maybe someone on this forum new whats the problem, and will tell how to fix.
 
#13 ·
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Originally Posted by karrrambaa View Post

daniel0731ex, stop replying to this pls, maybe someone on this forum new whats the problem, and will tell how to fix.
You've been TOLD the problem already by both Wareya and Daniel. Have you ever heard the term PEBKAC? If not, look it up. That's the problem.
 
#15 ·
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Originally Posted by karrrambaa View Post

Alya,I like how you reply the same as daniel, but it is too hard for you to read i guess, i didnt experience this on Windows XP. No more answers like this anymore pls. Only something usefull.
Reply the same as Daniel? I didn't say anything like what he said, are you sure about that? He told you that it's a rotational error that occurs because you are a human, I told you the answer is PEBKAC.

People are trying to help you and you're not listening to what they say, nor do you have any respect for the people trying to help you. You don't deserve any help with your attitude.
 
#17 ·
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Originally Posted by karrrambaa View Post

Nice Alya, posting things like PEBKAC (trolling post), and after this you tell about i dont respect people and dont deserve the help. Are you okay?
Alya, dont reply too pls, not giving anything usefull, only your PEBKAC.
I am okay, thank you for asking.

My reply was not trolling at all, it's the short version of what Daniel and Wareya told you since apparently you were unable to process the sweet version of it, Wareya stated that it has to do with your grip on the mouse, Daniel stated that it is rotational error...once again, due to mouse grip, then you proceed to ask Wareya for help when he has told you the problem, you disrespect Daniel by telling him not to "reply in your thread anymore" and saying he doesn't "give good information" nor does he "give you advice on how to fix it" when he did both of the things you stated he didn't, I don't know what country you're from so I don't know about cultural differences or whatever, but where most of us are from, that's considered very rude.

That's all I'm going to post about this subject though, I don't want to get into another argument with a forum member, I've been warned for that twice already and I'm sure the patience with me is wearing thin.
 
#18 ·
I m saying that it should be some hardware problem, not human error, because in that case, i would just experience it all the time, on Win XP also, but i didnt. So usefull information means - some explanation or fix which are based on hardware, not about human errors.
 
#23 ·
yea, i m thinking about this too, or maybe something happened to usb port calculations, i always was using black cloth mousepads, and still, so i dont think its an mousepad. I just not sure it is exactly Windows 7,because if i was, possibly much more peoples have noticed it and replied. Or i just dont know about some fixes on Windows 7.
 
#24 ·
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Originally Posted by Bucake View Post

the mark c fix fixes all mouse movement issues so you should just keep installing it until it fixes all your mouse related problems
that is clearly the issue
you must install the mark c fix for any mouse related problem
it's the only way to get 1:1 mouse movement
install the mark c fix again
That killed me.
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At this point I could say... turn on raw input!
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#25 ·
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Originally Posted by wareya View Post

it's your grip, don't worry about it

Mice rotate when you move them and this causes not all paths to be exactly the same length.
^ is what you're experiencing.

What mouse were you using when you were on windows XP? It probably had some level of built-in angle snapping that you were not aware of.

Since you can't seem to move your mouse very well.
Turn on angle snapping and prediction.
 
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