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Originally Posted by fleetfeather View Post

In the TweakTown review, why wasn't there a straight-forward "Temperatures" graph? Unless I've overlooked it (I've only just woken up...)

http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/8160/calyos-nsg-s0-100-silent-fanless-gaming-pc-review/index6.html
I assume you mean CPU and GPU core temperatures, I don't typically do that, so I wouldn't have anything to compare it to. I look more in the benchmark numbers, if the PC is throttling during certain benchmarks I will know it through lower numbers. I will say that the CPU isn't a worry, the GPU is. Those temperatures are very damn high off the surface, but they won't cause much damage until they go past 100C, which they aren't. Also, our unit is a prototype, I think they used my unit as a demo unit for the past few years, the base plate was bent, and I don't know how you bend it like that without a press, or how the motherboard didn't break, also some fins had been dislodged from the copper heat pipes, so they pipes weren't able to effectively pass on heat to the fins in certain areas. At the end, does it work? Yes, would my sample be an excellent representation of the final product? No. So, in this worst case scenario it works, and that alone was enough for me. It's pretty cool, but it's not going to be cheap.
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I would say the most expensive part is the kickstarter gamble. Ultimately we can't assess value until we see something close to the final product. If it lies close to air cooling temps, its value will be in the noiselessness and nothing more; in that case I agree that it's not cheap or a good value. If it matches big air or better, meaning competes with custom loops, then I think it's an exceptional value IF you got in on the lower pledge tiers. The Early Bird pledge converts to $677 USD shipped to Florida. Compare that to the cost of building a custom loop from scratch with comparable performance and the value becomes pretty apparent. We don't watercool because it's cheap, though, do we?

Edit: You know, we're the same community that buys Murderboxes, Caselabs, and Parvum Systems cases. I recognize that high end isn't for everyone, but there's clearly a market for people less concerned with relative value and more concerned with meeting a need or want, price-performance be damned. thumb.gif
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The first production model, not the prototype, also has slots for fans just in case.
Which I guess brings this to a whole new level of performance.
     
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post #54 of 64
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The thing is, this isn't fluid. It's a multiphase design, meaning the differential pressure gradient will not correlate to velocity in the same way you'd expect from a fluid-only system. Gravity feeding will play a role, but most of the propelling force will occur from gasification as the liquid passes the chip. The whole system is prevented from equalizing with a secret sauce capillary pump, purpose built for their secret sauce heat medium. The discharged vapor could feasibly exert sufficient pressure to achieve high inlet pressure on the fluid side.

In fact, prototypes have already been tested and the claims verified. All that's left to be seen is if the production model will ship with significant downgrades. The technology itself, though, is largely proven.

I'm talking about the fluid's flow along the wicks back to the contact plate, believe it or not on this scale there are multi-phase chemicals that are far better suited to a liquid flow return and gravity cycle...

Its a long way for the fluid to wick back and the amount they'd need would likely also actually fill that pipe as well as travel on the wicks.

So prototypes tested, were they tested for 600 days (minimum acceptable life for a closed loop cooler) at full processor load running at 95% of spec?

Did they have a weed-head come in and twist the pipes?

What I'd rather see instead of this is a case that has a two part side panel, upper part able to hinge up and out to support additional long radiator and a vertical gap above the mainboard of four inches so we can put two layers of fans around a radiator.

A passive cooling system that was only tested in a temperature controlled lab is a joke waiting for imgur.
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I love fanless but that crap is too expensive.
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Let me get this straight. 70 lbs is close to 30kg right? What the heck? rolleyes.gif
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Let me get this straight. 70 lbs is close to 30kg right? What the heck? rolleyes.gif

70/2.2=~32 kg
Heavy.
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70/2.2=~32 kg
Heavy.

In what world would this be good? I can't even imagine using one in home use, nor even servers as most are blade systems anyway I'm guessing.
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In what world would this be good? I can't even imagine using one in home use, nor even servers as most are blade systems anyway I'm guessing.

Calyos actually developed this technology originally for blades
     
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I love fanless but that crap is too expensive.

Compared to what? Without having a more accurate measure of cooling performance of the final product, even an approximate, how can you determine if something is crap or too expensive?

Deck out a Caselabs, Silverstone Fortress or TJ11, Corsair 900D, even some NZXT options (for the sake of discussion, leave out the custom/semi-custom like Parvum Systems & Murderbox). Now add, say, two radiators. Add a GPU & CPU block. Add tubing and fittings. Add a pump. Add a res. Or scrap the custom loop and instead add two AIOs. Nix those, do big air for the CPU and GPU (because even in these preliminary tests the GPU is not thermal throttling, so we know it's at least a little better than the stock Nvidia blower coolers). The cost of the case + any good cooling solution doesn't look all that different from the Calyos case, especially if you live in Europe and can escape the big shipping cost. The difference is the Calyos case is a lump sum, the other options are split purchases.

A little objectivity goes a long way in determining value, but in this case it's too early to really judge value. We don't have a closer-to-finished product yet to really see total system capability.

For my part, I determined the project was worth the gamble to me. I'm tempering my expectations by splitting the difference between the prototype sent to Linus and the one sent to TT. If the final product falls in this range then it has value (again, to me): I get a much virtually silent system with almost no maintenance or consumable parts. I have a small army of lower speed Gentle Typhoons and Noiseblocker Multiframes I can also use in their rendered fan mount to help things along, too, if need be and I'd still have a functionally inaudible system.
    
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