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So in the vein of discovering that C-states actually affect SSD performance in the Samsung 960 thread, I'm wondering how much of a performance hit I can expect from a SATA SSD in a laptop and as such, if it even makes sense to get a high-end SSD or stick with mid-range models for laptops.

I have an ADATA 120GB SSD in another laptop which I keep as a spare, but the laptop I use on a more or less daily basis has a 1TB HD in it right now. I am thinking about maybe swapping in an SSD and putting the 1 TB into an external enclosure. For this "daily driver" laptop I was thinking about perhaps the AMD Radeon R3 240GB model, but I don't know if it would be kind of overkill given that laptops are specially designed to take advantage of low-power states where possible (and for good reason; the heat they can put out is fearsome if you really put one under load).
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Was proof provided that performance would be affected? The only time I have ever seen anyone say this is when JJ at ASUS said it in this guide:

 

https://hardforum.com/threads/official-asus-p8p67-series-overclocking-guide-and-information.1578110/

 

There's no formatting so it's hard to read, but here's an excerpt (edited slightly):

 

Quote:
K series overclocking and its affect on subsystem performance (especially hard drive performance)
 
Quick note regarding options that can affect subsystem performance:

It is NOT advised to make adjustments to C-States because this can considerably affect hard drive throughput performance (especially SATA6G SSD or Sandforce 2-based SSDs). It is recommended that all CPU power configuration states be left on their default parameters. Overclocking tests have shown internally no increase in multiplier scaling when adjusting these values. Under special cases with high multi capable CPUs and synthetic high load applications (LinX, Prime, Occt), C-States may need to be disabled. This has generally only been confirmed for some 51-54 multi capable CPUs.

 

As you can see, it's really only an issue when overclocking, especially to extremes (like taking Sandy Bridge to multipliers of 51-54 as he said here). I'm not saying I think your laptop is a Sandy Bridge system, I'm just saying I think that this is where the belief came from that you have to disable C-States no matter what if you have a solid state drive.


Edited by TwoCables - 12/20/16 at 11:22pm
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Hmm. So basically as expected, a laptop will not aqueeze out the last final bit of absolute maximum performance out of an SSD, but for real-world situations the difference between desktop and laptop SSD speeds is probably too small to really notice?

Sounds like the Radeon 240 GB will be perfectly acceptable then since it's on sale for about $80 at NCIX.
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Hmm. So basically as expected, a laptop will not aqueeze out the last final bit of absolute maximum performance out of an SSD, but for real-world situations the difference between desktop and laptop SSD speeds is probably too small to really notice?

Sounds like the Radeon 240 GB will be perfectly acceptable then since it's on sale for about $80 at NCIX.

 

What made you reach this conclusion? I am trying to tell you that your solid state drive's performance won't be affected because you're not trying to overclock the CPU to extremes.

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I can't answer your question but I figured it would be worthwhile to mention that the SK Hynix SL308 SSD's have some of the lowest power consumption of any SSDs and are actually very fast for TLC drives. Response time is among the fastest (comparable to Samsung 850 drives - even better in some circumstances) for SSDs.

The 250GB model can be had for ~$63 right now, too;

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820329009
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Excellent point about the low power consumption of some SSDs.
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They don't consume much power at all to begin with, but hey, a longer battery life is good.

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post #8 of 8
Quote:
Originally Posted by TwoCables View Post

They don't consume much power at all to begin with, but hey, a longer battery life is good.

Yes this is also very true. Much less power consumption than traditional HDDs. Just figured since OP was commenting on power consumption and SSDs for laptops that it would be worthwhile to mention what is in my book the best SSD for speed + low power consumption. It's truly a fantastic SSD.
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