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How is it a bad design if it's almost on par with 6900K clock for clock ?

We won't know for sure until it's released into the wild. Once that happens, every overclocker with some extra money will be roughing it up on their test bench. Then we'll all know for sure.
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I'll never buy an AMD product again.

Wow... How come??
 
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Wow... How come??

Several reasons. Some basic. Some technical.

Basic reason example: design. I think it is completely moronic to put the pins on the object you will be handling with your hands (the cpu).

Technical reason overview: AMD is consistently just 'good enough' and that is exactly where they want to be. They made a business decision years ago be the affordable pc component company. You can't make the best components and support cutting edge R&D if you're striving to fill the affordable segment of the market. You just can't. I'm a snob when it comes to my components... I want the best I can get for what my build is meant to do.
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The market for the 8 core Ryzen chip is for people like myself that want to dable in some video recording and editing while multitasking without a hitch. Have you tried recording gameplay with X264 while gaming? It's next to impossible in some of the games I play with anything less than an 8 core intel chip. If Zen makes this possible while forking out around $500 less compared to a 6900k system, i'll be more than happy.

There's no doubt that AMD needs a 7700k and 7500k competitor in the market ASAP but what we are already seeing from the 8 core chip is pretty encouraging.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GgDZKGA89I
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The market for the 8 core Ryzen chip is for people like myself that want to dable in some video recording and editing while multitasking without a hitch. Have you tried recording gameplay with X264 while gaming? It's next to impossible in some of the games I play with anything less than an 8 core intel chip. If Zen makes this possible while forking out around $500 less compared to a 6900k system, i'll be more than happy.

There's no doubt that AMD needs a 7700k and 7500k competitor in the market ASAP but what we are already seeing from the 8 core chip is pretty encouraging.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GgDZKGA89I

This is what it really boils down to, IMO: the money. Half of OCN likes getting the most bang for their buck with AMD. The other half, like myself, won't do a build that costs less than $6,000.

It's been this way for years and will probably remain this way for some time. It's just personal preference.
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Come on, we both know that the difference between is 3.15 and 3.4 is negligible in the big picture. It won't make up for poor chip design / architecture.

AMD needs to find one market and go all in for that market. Clearly, desktop computing is not it. Which really sucks, btw, because at this rate the new Intel Skylake-X chips will probably top out around $2000. No competition allows for creativity in pricing.


-Says he will never by AMD again... check
-Claims poor design / architecture on CPU clearly showing promising results... check
-Claims AMD has always been behind intel.... check
-Makes claims that a company like AMD should put all their eggs in one basket... check (btw, thank god you don't run any large business with that sentiment)
-Claims it's moronic to have pins on a cpu and that is another slight towards AMD... check
-Claims AMD will always aim for being the budget leader when AMD has actually said they cannot be in that position anymore... check
-Claims offering value components means you can't have cutting edge technology... check
-Claims AMD 8c16t cpu can't hjang with 6700k because of a majority of games tested are singled threaded (ARMA... seriously?) .... check
-Claims he has to have the absolute best components but doesn't even list his PC.... check

So I just have two questions...

How did AMD hurt you and more importantly, how much is Intel paying you?

And you won't do a build less than $6,000? That sounds honestly like a self esteem issue to me if you are strictly basing your builds around a minimum budget spent. Then again, more money always means it's better right? How's the Bose & Beats setup going for you?
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It's been a problem for a lot of people for a very long time. It is pure idiocy that they originally designed their platform this way and even more moronic that they have not moved away from it.

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=amd+bent+pins&tbm=vid

It's just poor engineering. Plain and simple. Engineers are supposed to solve problems and improve efficiency. AMD fails at this in their most basic platform design.
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It's been a problem for a lot of people for a very long time. It is pure idiocy that they originally designed their platform this way and even more moronic that they have not moved away from it.

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=amd+bent+pins&tbm=vid

It's just poor engineering. Plain and simple. Engineers are supposed to solve problems and improve efficiency. AMD fails at this in their most basic platform design.

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#tbm=vid&q=intel+bent+pins

Odd... intel seems to have a bent motherboard pin problem? Those engineers are sooooo stupid!

Your unfounded bias and clear trolling is seriously ridiculous.
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This is what it really boils down to, IMO: the money. Half of OCN likes getting the most bang for their buck with AMD. The other half, like myself, won't do a build that costs less than $6,000.

It's been this way for years and will probably remain this way for some time. It's just personal preference.

That means that half of ocn has rigs that worth at least 6k?

Interesting

Get down off your high horse..
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Originally Posted by LuckyDuck69 View Post

It's been a problem for a lot of people for a very long time. It is pure idiocy that they originally designed their platform this way and even more moronic that they have not moved away from it.

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=amd+bent+pins&tbm=vid

It's just poor engineering. Plain and simple. Engineers are supposed to solve problems and improve efficiency. AMD fails at this in their most basic platform design.

Hai, engineer here - Engineers job is to be handed a piece of paper and told "here, make this work consistently and do it as cheap as possible"
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