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The slides we are sharing today are the same slides we described to you back in September (so they are not new). We are posting this because so far everything turned out to be (almost) correct.

Just a reminder, those slides are from internal presentation, they are not meant for public viewing, thus such design.

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AMD VEGA 10

There are two cosmetic differences between this old slide and what we know today. The CU was renamed to NCU (Next-Generation Compute Unit). Also, the floating point performance increased from 12 to 12.5 TFLOPs in 32-bit operations. Notice that the slide also says 2 stack HBM2, confirmed by VEGA reveal just yesterday (partially the reason why I decided to post this today).

VEGA 10 will feature 14nm GFX9 architecture with 64 compute units (now known as NCU). The chip will require 225 W of power. Meanwhile, Dual VEGA 10 is expected in the second half of 2017. Interestingly the specs mention 4 stack HBM2, it’s unclear if that means both chips or just one.








Some thoughts
This seems to confirm the earlier roadmaps. If this is true, then Vega actually has 2x 8GB of VRAM for a total of 16 GB, at least in the server versions; that's more than enough for gaming and maybe for some Compute tasks. We may see some game versions with 16Gb and some with 8GB. We probably will not see a 6144 core version, assuming each NCU has 64 SIMDs still, especially if the 4096 core Vega is already >500mm^2, as it would exceed the reticle limits. The NCUs must take up a lot more space because a 596mm^2 Fury X had the same number of CUs. Hopefully they have a lot more performance too.

On the 7nm, it's not a "true" 7nm, just like how Intel is the only one with a true 14nm process. GF's process (from Samsung) is really a 14/20 nm hybrid process. No idea what the 7nm process is like. Probably comparable to Intel's 10nm at best and probably lower SRAM density.


I am disappointed though that Navi is coming in 2019, rather than 2018, although it's possible that enterprise products are released several months later than consumer, so yes, that would mean that Navi is late 2018 at best. That would also explain AMD"s "poor Volta" marketing - they know that their Vega GPU must hold its own against Volta for at least a few months.
Edited by CrazyElf - 1/6/17 at 7:29am
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Still not sure about this whole mess.

We're seeing a chip that could well be 2x the transistor count as Fiji due to process but the internals have become this murky grey area.
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Still not sure about this whole mess.

We're seeing a chip that could well be 2x the transistor count as Fiji due to process but the internals have become this murky grey area.

Mess?

If you were paying attention then you knew that Vega was going to be a uArch overhaul. So the internals being a grey area was pretty expected, at least until someone like Anand gets a hold of one and gets released from NDA so they can explain the archtecture changes to the public.

Sorry, but I don't really see a problem. No offense, but your comment makes you look like just another AMD hater in an OCN thread with nothing productive to say. Which at this point is becoming exceedingly tiresome on this forum.

I am excited for Ryzen and Vega, looks like we will finally have some quality competition! Go AMD!
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If they want Vega to be competitive with GV104 then Vega absolutely needs to be as fast or faster than GP102, aka the Titan X. The leaked videos of Vega running doom only has it beating the 1080 (which regardless if its H.264 or X.264, will lower FPS) by a slim margin, and Doom running on Vulkan gives AMD a pretty big advantage anyway. Things can change, however.
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No, Vega 10 will compete against 1080, not Titan X. I guess AMD and the 14nm process are still not ready for a 6k SP monster.

Also other speculations tell Vega 10 is ~470 mm2
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Mess?

If you were paying attention then you knew that Vega was going to be a uArch overhaul. So the internals being a grey area was pretty expected, at least until someone like Anand gets a hold of one and gets released from NDA so they can explain the archtecture changes to the public.

Sorry, but I don't really see a problem. No offense, but your comment makes you look like just another AMD hater in an OCN thread with nothing productive to say. Which at this point is becoming exceedingly tiresome on this forum.

I am excited for Ryzen and Vega, looks like we will finally have some quality competition! Go AMD!

I dunno the hype train on Ryzen is for real, as there are actual numbers and specs to back it up. With Vega, it's wide open, it could just barely beat out an OC'ed 1080, or it could smash the TXP or be anywhere inbetween. That's too big of a margin to have any real idea of what we are going to see.

The fact that the presentation was all about their new tech in Vega and didn't seem to mention how it compares to their competitor has me on the fence though. Nvidia pulled the same stunt with pascal talking about NVLink and Deep learning etc. etc. and Pascal turned out to be nothing more than Maxwell with the OC cranked up to 11.
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I dunno the hype train on Ryzen is for real, as there are actual numbers and specs to back it up. With Vega, it's wide open, it could just barely beat out an OC'ed 1080, or it could smash the TXP or be anywhere inbetween. That's too big of a margin to have any real idea of what we are going to see.

The fact that the presentation was all about their new tech in Vega and didn't seem to mention how it compares to their competitor has me on the fence though. Nvidia pulled the same stunt with pascal talking about NVLink and Deep learning etc. etc. and Pascal turned out to be nothing more than Maxwell with the OC cranked up to 11.

I didn't say anything about performance. Us not knowing the exact performance before launch does not equate to a mess, at least in my mind. Besides, nobody here believes press slides. Everyone always wants samples in the wild for the community to test.

So by that logic, every release that we don't know exact performance of beforehand is a mess??? Sorry but that makes no sense.
 
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I am disappointed though that Navi is coming in 2019, rather than 2018,


AMD release one true flagship every 2 years. So don't expect anything in 2018.


HD7970 - 2011
R9 290X - 2013
R9 Fury X - 2015
Vega - 2017
Navi - 2019
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I am disappointed though that Navi is coming in 2019, rather than 2018,


AMD release one true flagship every 2 years. So don't expect anything in 2018.


HD7970 - 2011
R9 290X - 2013
R9 Fury X - 2015
Vega - 2017
Navi - 2019

That's better than Nvidia. They sell only sell the upper segment of the mid-range. rolleyes.gif (One and a half grand for a high-end gaming card that's marketed as a prosumer card doesn't count).
   
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That's better than Nvidia. They sell only sell the upper segment of the mid-range. rolleyes.gif (One and a half grand for a high-end gaming card that's marketed as a prosumer card doesn't count).


They have better marketing stunt. They did a yearly release but with a mid-range followed by Top end released. It help to keep their slow cycle fresh. Giving them as much as 4 years to milk on the same NODE transistors.


It is very similar to Intel Tick-Tock strategy, except better. Whereas Intel expires in 2 years, Nvidia can last for 4 years.
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