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Look at all of these potential murderers, sociopaths, and rapists here on OCN!

/blatantlyobvioussarcasm
post #42 of 181
Garbage.

I'll wager anyone that a poll of parents in Australia who think video games and TV are harmful to children correlates quite nicely with the results of these test results. Selection bias generating self fulfilling prophecy renders this study moot.

Might as well be polling people from Texas on which professional football franchise is the greatest of all time, bet you get a statistically significant number of people who say the Dallas Cowboys... This is the sort of thing that hurts the credibility of real scientists who do real studies.
Edited by DNMock - 1/9/17 at 9:03pm
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Garbage.

I'll wager anyone that a poll of parents in Australia who think video games and TV are harmful to children correlates quite nicely with the results of these test results. Selection bias generating self fulfilling prophecy renders this study moot.

Might as well be polling people from Texas on which professional football franchise is the greatest of all time, bet you get a statistically significant number of people who say the Dallas Cowboys...

This study is merely a continuation of the politically motivated anti gaming crusade of the 90's. Very similar rhetoric is being used.
post #44 of 181
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This study is merely a continuation of the politically motivated anti gaming crusade of the 90's. Very similar rhetoric is being used.

Correct, a study backed up by actual evidence that disagrees with your worldview is a personal attack on you and your hobby.

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I'll wager anyone that a poll of parents in Australia who think video games and TV are harmful to children correlates quite nicely with the results of these test results. Selection bias generating self fulfilling prophecy renders this study moot.

Why would they? The study didn't blatantly ask that. It asked parents how frequently their kids did activities X, Y, and Z and then asked for information about emotional and physical well-being. This is just one of the links they found.
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I mean, how would you expect parents to provide empathy to this: "pcmr laugh".
Literally, you think they are like this in daily life? No. But this is a boy's very literal unshackling from society's moral "chain".
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post #46 of 181
I'm pretty sure those studies are not taking i to accou t the endless amounts of "problems" a kid or teenager goes through on their everyday life. During the teenage years, a lot of things are happening and not everyone goes through the same life experience in the same way.

Although I can see how they are trying to get results out of it, it is still not an accurate study and will probably be near impossible to mimic a static scenario for all test subjects.

But eh, what do I know...lol
post #47 of 181
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Correct, a study backed up by actual evidence that disagrees with your worldview is a personal attack on you and your hobby.

Demagoguery. I'm still waiting for OCNers to suddenly become violent, anti social butchers.
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This study makes no sense, though. You can't test the effects of gaming on behavior of children this age, by testing children this age who are already playing video games. This is like testing the behavior patterns of book readers who have already taken it upon themselves to read books.
Why?
This study attempts to link behavior to video games. It's pretty easy to see, however, that behavior has more to do with parents than video games. Also, whether or not a child plays video games says more about how parents are parenting than it does about the children themselves. Children (boys, especially) who don't play video games, in this day and age, are already going to be in a bit of a minority. According to NPD, 91% of children in the US play video games. For the remaining 9%, you can pretty easily assume that they are in areas of poverty which tend not to be polled as effectively, or they are strictly or attentively parented. These are pretty easy things to extrapolate, but incredibly hard to quantify with scientific method because we're using a reductive language.

There's plenty more that's wrong with it, but it's not worth getting into. Using reductive languages to find out if there's a problem linking video games to behavior in children is not wrong on it's face, but it is wrong the data is being dumped into the hands of people who are incapable of understanding that this is step one in a process of deduction that is meant to say nothing about the parents, the behavior, the games, or anything. This is just scientists looking for funding, and they probably designed this particular study to reflect the interests of the group they're seeking the funding from.

What these statistics seem to say are so divorced from what they actually say that it's almost destructive to release them into the wild like this. People need to reassess what they'll accept as evidence.
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This study attempts to link behavior to video games. It's pretty easy to see, however, that behavior has more to do with parents than video games. Also, whether or not a child plays video games says more about how parents are parenting, than it does about the children themselves. Children (boys, especially) who don't play video games, in this day and age, are already going to be in a bit of a minority. According to NPD, 91% of children in the US play video games. For the remaining 9%, you can pretty easily assume that they are in areas of poverty which tend not to be polled as effectively, or they are strictly or attentively parented. These are pretty easy things to extrapolate, but incredibly hard to quantify with scientific method because we're using a reductive language.

There's plenty more that's wrong with it, but it's not worth getting into. Using reductive languages to find out if there's a problem linking video games to behavior in children is not wrong on it's face, but it is wrong the data is being dumped into the hands of people who are incapable of understanding that this is step one in a process of deduction that is meant to say nothing about the parents, the behavior, the games, or anything. This is just scientists looking for funding, and they probably designed this particular study to reflect the interests of the group they're seeking the funding from.

What these statistics seem to say are so divorced from what they actually say that it's almost destructive to release them into the wild like this. People need to reassess what they'll accept as evidence.

You're correct, there are too many outlying factors concerning mental health. Blaming games makes for a good news headline, at least.
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There are also too many chemicals in your body to conclude some cause cancer, so smoking is perfectly safe! thumb.gif

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This study attempts to link behavior to video games. It's pretty easy to see, however, that behavior has more to do with parents than video games. Also, whether or not a child plays video games says more about how parents are parenting than it does about the children themselves. Children (boys, especially) who don't play video games, in this day and age, are already going to be in a bit of a minority. According to NPD, 91% of children in the US play video games. For the remaining 9%, you can pretty easily assume that they are in areas of poverty which tend not to be polled as effectively, or they are strictly or attentively parented. These are pretty easy things to extrapolate, but incredibly hard to quantify with scientific method because we're using a reductive language.

I think you're misunderstanding what the study is measuring regarding "games." It isn't a binary state where the kids do play or do not play. It's based on how frequently and for how long they play. There's a difference between playing for an hour every couple of days and spending entire nights on most days.

Do parents have more of an effect? I dunno. But that wasn't measured, therefore it really isn't relevant. This appears to be part of a much larger study about children's habits and how they spend their time.

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There's plenty more that's wrong with it, but it's not worth getting into. Using reductive languages to find out if there's a problem linking video games to behavior in children is not wrong on it's face, but it is wrong the data is being dumped into the hands of people who are incapable of understanding that this is step one in a process of deduction that is meant to say nothing about the parents, the behavior, the games, or anything. This is just scientists looking for funding, and they probably designed this particular study to reflect the interests of the group they're seeking the funding from.

What these statistics seem to say are so divorced from what they actually say that it's almost destructive to release them into the wild like this. People need to reassess what they'll accept as evidence.

That's incredibly insulting. You are accusing researchers of falsifying a study solely to appease a special interest group of some sort with absolutely no evidence that this is true. This is basically the definition of libel.
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