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I hope you realize the implications for a researcher's career when that happens. It usually ends right then and there, and no apology will undo that.

So yes, the researchers here hate video games and fudged their results to try and get them outlawed. rolleyes.gif
I should add that you were going a bit far to call what I described as falsifying the study for special interests, too. You seem to have this all misconstrued. Let me elaborate.

Knowing your customer, as a researcher, is not inherently wrong. Nothing in the study is incorrect, it's just stupid.. like I said. The amount of information ignored here makes the study pointless, and framing it as if it's capable of saying anything is kind of preposterous. That's not what's happening though, on the research level. They're certainly nothing being falsified, they're just dealing with the information and the testbed from which it was gathered as they are -- the framing that occurs afterwards is what's wrong. Framing it as a study, rather than a pointless study, is misleading for readers. It's not particularly conspiratorial or evil to call it a study, but most people cannot and will not try to assess the quality of a study on their own -- rather, they treat it with a certain reverence for the mere fact that it is one. It's just how it is. If you know your study is of a certain caliber but it your partners still want to do something with it, that's fine; you're not falsifying anything. But there is still money and there is still motive to be recognized before you go and take the study seriously, as a reader. If anyone wants to get insulted because the readers are recognizing that, let them -- that's a whole other issue.
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Pause argument: I never said anything about a BMI, i think you mis-quoted me accidently, or was that intentional. Either way no biggie, just wanna make sure I understand you correctly.

Intentional. The point I tried (and failed) to make was that having those questions in the survey won't necessarily create bias in the person responding. You could also say that questions about weight might bias parents into thinking being fat causes bad behavior.

...I think. I don't even remember why I thought that in the first place lol.

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For fun, I think something isn't considered factual in physics until it reaches a consistency within 5 standard deviations or 99.9999426697% of the time. (Thanks for the percentage wikipedia!)

I'd make a joke about how you should just round off to 100%, but measurements can reach precision beyond that, which is crazy. We can measure the speed of light, for example, to 15 significant digits, a variation of something like a micrometer per second.

The problem was that we didn't actually know how large a meter was in the first place, since it was defined based on etchings in a specific platinum bar in a vault in Paris. The speed of light was then defined as a constant and the meter is now defined from that.
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post #63 of 181
This kind of research is just crap. Its a click bait. When i grew up there was no video games and me and my friends were like WHOA with everything. AND IT WAS NORMAL.

I know im gonna hit some offtopic now but what i would like to be talked about is a hazard in video games. Gambling. Lockboxes and RNG with them. But nobody cares about that, meanwhile people are getting more and more addicted to that and lose their lifes and wifes etc.
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Can we please avoid the social commentary about Australia and its policies and stay on topic? Huff-Po didn't publish or fund the study, it contributes nothing to act as if they did.
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Same old same old... blame the medium, not the individual.
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The study information is not available without jumping through hoops. Without the details it's very hard to take anything as conclusive or at face value.

I do think that parents judging is not an adequate measurement unit. What one parent thinks is crazy behavior another may simply chalk up to being a kid. Without a consistent measurement, the test data is inconclusive.

We don't change judges after every Olympic run for a reason. We like to have a consistent source of measurement.
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Gaming is escapism, so it wouldn't be surprising to find out that kids having problems in their life would end up gaming more. So it can be a symptom that when left unchecked can lead to more issues, but simply banning gaming would not fix the root cause of the need for gaming in the first place.
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Gaming is escapism, so it wouldn't be surprising to find out that kids having problems in their life would end up gaming more. So it can be a symptom that when left unchecked can lead to more issues, but simply banning gaming would not fix the root cause of the need for gaming in the first place.

Yeah. I'd think you'd find a similar correlation with other "healthier" forms of escapism (reading fiction, radio etc.)
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It seems like 95% of OCN doesn't get the difference between correlation and cause-effect.
Just because the the average gamer experiences more difficulties with social interaction, doesn't mean "gaming is bad for you!" is proven..

Possible alternative hypothesises:
1) People with social difficulties tend to feel more comfortable behind a display. It's a safer environment because they feel in control and the amount of unpredictability drops by a huge factor compared to social interaction.

2) All the time you game, is time you don't spend developing social skills (assuming the alternative is spending time with people). But that's also the case for people who read books instead of socialise. No attempt at generalising, but the stereotype of "book wurm" isn't that far fetched. 1) also applies to reader books.

It's not that gaming isn't good for you. On the contrary. If an individual fails to function in a complex social environment when exposed to it for longer periods of time, it might very well be a good idea to let him/her cool off with some gaming breaks. I suspect that the gaming is a symptom, not a cause - hence correlation.

Oh crap! I actually used rational reasoning in an internet argument. Woops redface.gif
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Gaming is escapism, so it wouldn't be surprising to find out that kids having problems in their life would end up gaming more. So it can be a symptom that when left unchecked can lead to more issues, but simply banning gaming would not fix the root cause of the need for gaming in the first place.

Yeah. I'd think you'd find a similar correlation with other "healthier" forms of escapism (reading fiction, radio etc.)

Bloody hell, I got ninja'd biggrin.gif
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My mother is a social physiologist and she has colleagues that studied this link between videogames and violence/stress/etc.

Let me tell you something, it's all BS. 100% BS.

Here's how it works. I need money and I need fame, what sells? Fear. Let's scare the crap out of some mothers by showing increased levels of adrenaline after 4 hours of COD. Then the media comes and finishes this great turd by polishing it with some title like "Videogames linked to increased violence". It's all manipulation of data and false assumptions. I just did a study of my own and I have linked lazy and scaremongering articles written by incompetent third rate "scientist" to the immediate hurge to hurt said morons, title "SCIENCE CAUSES VIOLENCE".
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