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So you know better than cyber, oculus and AMD?

All 3 are behind this system. Can't settings be turned down to achieve playable gaming?
If playable you mean 30-60fps, then might just as well buy a console wink.gif Which is another AMD made PC system with probably better performance since content is optimized for it to run playable.
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What a terrible idea. They should have waited for Zen and built some SR3+ RX 470 systems.
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Why not go for an 880k Athlon? It's superior in ipc and can clock at least as good.
Because there's a much larger stock of FX processors and 9x0 chipset motherboards that need to be cleared off in order to make room for Zen. Most 880K's and FM2+ gear have long been moved.
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No L3 cache.
The L3 cache is so slow in the FX processors that it offers very little real-world utility. I'd gladly take any 8x0K over an FX-4350, for several reasons.
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I "didn't even know" they made an FX 43xx CPUs, even the FX63xx are turds, I guess this is some 4 core EOL CPU.
I wouldn't recommend this machine even to an enemy.
They've made quad-core FX since day one. The FX-4350 was the top of the line Piledriver FX quad-core. They were never as popular as the six- and eight-core varieties, but they have always existed. It's EOL now, but only because of Zen.
     
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Is this the same CyberPower who makes UPS systems?

No it isn't the same.
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All these haters I dare anyone to post a link for a better prebuilt desktop PC for less money. whistle.gif

Have you bought from Cyberpower?

I have and I know first hand. They can sell you the picture but again TOS says they can substitute any comparable product if they choose. say it has a Nividia gtx 1080 they can sub it with a Zotac or PowerColor brand if they want. Just buyer beware..
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post #36 of 47
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Originally Posted by budgetgamer120 View Post

This is a partnership with CyberpowerPc and AMD. So it is not a "another run of the mill pre-built for people who haven't learned what happens when you run computers on 30 cent power supplies".

http://radeon.com/en-us/cyberpowerpc-vr-ready/
https://www.cnet.com/news/get-a-new-vr-ready-gaming-pc-for-just-499/

It's not?

Show me the power supply in this machine. They won't tell you

It doesn't even give you the speed, timing, or brand of the memory. Just "8 GB". It doesn't even seem to tell you what hard drive is in it besides that it's a 7200 RPM 1 TB drive.

Now I can appreciate the need for non-enthusiasts to have access to computers, but I'm not going to sit here and pretend the reason these are affordable isn't because they use the cheapest components possible to fit in the higher end CPU and Graphics cards the average user does understand. Of course, the FX 4350 is only $89.99 these days and not even mid range anymore. Radeon 470 is $160... Toss in ~$110 for the ram and hard drive at single purchase consumer costs, what looks like an entry level Asus motherboard, generic keyboard and mouse, etc. Cheaper for them. It's a generic PC. Sure, the price is right, but let's not pretend they magically started using high quality components because it's a partnership between some random company and AMD.

This is another pre-built for people who haven't learned what happens when you run computers on 30 cent power supplies.

edit: http://www.highpower-tech.com/RO/product_page.php?class=20100527154213&id=20140805132939#product
According to some reviews this is the PSU in other machines they sell for around $799, of course, I can't provide testing results on it since there are none available, but feel free to buy the machine and open on up so we can see what's inside.

http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story3&reid=226

Ripple testing on another highpower branded unit. You could do much better with a budget priced EVGA B2 or Seasonic G series PSU without hurting the price of the machine, of course they just aren't handing them over to cyberpowerPC for the right price.
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It's not?

Show me the power supply in this machine. They won't tell you

It doesn't even give you the speed, timing, or brand of the memory. Just "8 GB". It doesn't even seem to tell you what hard drive is in it besides that it's a 7200 RPM 1 TB drive.

Now I can appreciate the need for non-enthusiasts to have access to computers, but I'm not going to sit here and pretend the reason these are affordable isn't because they use the cheapest components possible to fit in the higher end CPU and Graphics cards the average user does understand. Of course, the FX 4350 is only $89.99 these days and not even mid range anymore. Radeon 470 is $160... Toss in ~$110 for the ram and hard drive at single purchase consumer costs, what looks like an entry level Asus motherboard, generic keyboard and mouse, etc. Cheaper for them. It's a generic PC. Sure, the price is right, but let's not pretend they magically started using high quality components because it's a partnership between some random company and AMD.

This is another pre-built for people who haven't learned what happens when you run computers on 30 cent power supplies.

edit: http://www.highpower-tech.com/RO/product_page.php?class=20100527154213&id=20140805132939#product
According to some reviews this is the PSU in other machines they sell for around $799, of course, I can't provide testing results on it since there are none available, but feel free to buy the machine and open on up so we can see what's inside.

http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story3&reid=226

Ripple testing on another highpower branded unit. You could do much better with a budget priced EVGA B2 or Seasonic G series PSU without hurting the price of the machine, of course they just aren't handing them over to cyberpowerPC for the right price.

It does not have to give you anything. Just general information like other PC makers do.

For you and I we build or own. These were not made for us.
post #38 of 47
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So you know better than cyber, oculus and AMD?

All 3 are behind this system. Can't settings be turned down to achieve playable gaming?

Yes.

Considering your well being isn't a factor for them, they are corporations that want your money. They will do what they can to make that happen. You trying to associate feelings to their motives is a very bad defense.

Thankfully though, we also have objective data like benchmarks that we can look at.
    
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You may be right about that but I shudder to think what is really under the hood of that steaming pile of supposed VR ready PC. From what I have seen with these BB/CyberpowerPC specials the PSU will be a very cheap OEM one that CyberpowerPC self branded which are notorious for blowing up, the mobo will be the lowest end 760G chipset one they can find with no OCing potential, the RAM will be unbranded without a heatsink & the lowest speed DDR3 available, the CPU will have a old stock AMD cooler, the case will be very cheap & made of very thin sheet metal. Basically IME companies like CyberpowerPC cut all the corners & only provide the lowest end parts to keep costs that low. You get a ticking time bomb not a gaming PC with them IMHO. Also there is the fact that you can not buy this PC for that price by itself, it has to be bought as part of a package that includes the Rift to get that discount & the total cost is $1,250.00. http://www.bestbuy.com/site/oculus-rift-virtual-reality-headset-cyberpowerpc-gamer-ultra-vr-guavr3000b1-desktop-package/9999277100050000.p?skuId=9999277100050000&ref=199&loc=kXQk6*ivFEQ&acampID=1&siteID=kXQk6.ivFEQ-Bsxre2tTtUEapGyizKhHBA
I am not advocating buying a prebuilt PC.
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It has been noted that Phenom 2 was not-quite-but-still-approximately as fast per clock as Core 2 processors. It has also been noted that Piledriver is about as fast per clock as Phenom 2. My guess would be that they would be comparable in single threaded tasks with the 4350 taking about a 20% hit under high-utilization multithreaded scenarios.

In real world use FX is much faster than Phenom II.

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Have you bought from Cyberpower?

I have and I know first hand. They can sell you the picture but again TOS says they can substitute any comparable product if they choose. say it has a Nividia gtx 1080 they can sub it with a Zotac or PowerColor brand if they want. Just buyer beware..
True, but my point was what is better for that price in a pre-built? 2 different questions.

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Yes.

Considering your well being isn't a factor for them, they are corporations that want your money. They will do what they can to make that happen. You trying to associate feelings to their motives is a very bad defense.

Thankfully though, we also have objective data like benchmarks that we can look at.

Objective data is very objective. I bet you I could replace your i5 with an overclocked FX and you would never know the difference unless you saw a timer in most cases. wink.gif
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All current gen VR headsets are a vomit feast to begin with. Do to their horrible pixel density. No point in needing fast hardware for them if the picture quality is horrible to begin with. :rolleyes:


Edited by ozlay - 1/14/17 at 12:20pm
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