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OLED is crap... uh have you seen an LG E6? That is not what I would call crap. It may have flaws... but in a large format with entertainment content, it is presently hard to beat. There will always be another "next best technology" on the horizon. That doesn't make what is out there today bad.
    
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in a large format with entertainment content, it is presently hard to beat.
It's hard to beat even if you use it as a PC monitor.
 
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Just give me Quantum Dot already!

OLED would suck for monitors. Color shift, ghosting, short lifespan and burn-in.

Perhaps read the thread, and stop spreading misinformation. Current LG OLED suffers from none of those things, the amount of misinformation and rumors based on 10 year old OLEDs that never saw consumer market is astounding. rolleyes.gif

Quantum Dot still can't touch OLED, I've set one next to my LG E6 in a pitch black room and mirrored them. While it's a significant upgrade to IPS, OLED is still in another league.

According to reports at CES, 2017 OLEDs are significantly better than the 2016 OLEDs when it comes to shadow detail, so the gap is only going to get bigger. Samsung is in the process of finalizing a $2 billion OLED deal. Almost every major brand is offering at least 2 OLED TVs this year. Sony's "E6 killer" is rumors to be only 2 grand for the 55" and 3 grand for the 65". OLED is the future, and will dominate the TV market in the next few years. As more people realize how superior it is, OLED monitor demand will skyrocket.
Edited by Murlocke - 1/11/17 at 7:34pm
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Quantum Dot still can't touch OLED, I've set one next to my LG E6 in a pitch black room and mirrored them. While it's a significant upgrade to IPS, OLED is still in another league. According to reports at CES, 2017 OLEDs are significantly better than the 2016 OLEDs when it comes to shadow detail, so the gap is only going to get bigger.

The quantum dot displays that people talk about being amazing are fully emissive displays very similar to OLED and have never moved past the R&D stage. The quantum dot displays that we're actually seeing on the market are just using quantum dots in the backlight for a typical LCD panel.

In principle, a "proper" QLED display would be more robust than OLED since it could be built entirely of inorganic materials. Wider color gamut, too. Should be pretty similar otherwise.
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OLED is crap... uh have you seen an LG E6? That is not what I would call crap. It may have flaws... but in a large format with entertainment content, it is presently hard to beat. There will always be another "next best technology" on the horizon. That doesn't make what is out there today bad.

I think people are forgetting something here: just like LCDs, not all OLEDs are equal.

Companies don't feed the public with technical buzzwords about the tech like they do with LCDs now, but I'm sure Dell's OLED implementation is different than the LG E6.


Also, don't forget that LCD still have a few tricks left. Phillips, for example, figured out that you can use a second black/white panel in addition to a normal RGB one to get contrast levels way up, and quantum dots/better backlights are bringing gamut way up.


They won't solve the motion clarity problem though. Backlight strobing just isn't a good solution IMHO.
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They won't solve the motion clarity problem though. Backlight strobing just isn't a good solution IMHO.

Could back-light scanning get you close to CRTs if you transition pixels in the sequence it comes through the DP/HDMI connection live, and then light up the back-light only directly behind them?
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They won't solve the motion clarity problem though. Backlight strobing just isn't a good solution IMHO.

Could back-light scanning get you close to CRTs if you transition pixels in the sequence it comes through the DP/HDMI connection live, and then light up the back-light only directly behind them?

The problem is that LCD elements can take a long time to shift, apparently "red" is the classic offender for the slowest pixels.
It doesn't matter what you do with the backlight, if your red pixels are (hypothetically) taking upwards of ten milliseconds to make the transition then 120hz motion is effectively impossible with good color accuracy. Even at 60hz you're still prevented from displaying the proper color for that period of time and if you wanted to use strobing then basically the first half of the frame time would need to be blank.
LCD's are probably appropriate at 30hz, but then the idea of "clarity in motion" becomes moot.
You can overdrive them, but that causes ghosting and as far as I know they don't have overdrive on a "per-color" basis.

Personally, I still love my Catleap for playing games so obviously it bothers some people more than others, but I understand the principle that with a clean OLED monitor I would be able to see much more detail while constantly flinging bullets back and forth while playing DOOM.
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They won't solve the motion clarity problem though. Backlight strobing just isn't a good solution IMHO.

Could back-light scanning get you close to CRTs if you transition pixels in the sequence it comes through the DP/HDMI connection live, and then light up the back-light only directly behind them?

You mean turn off the backlight wherever the pixels are currently refreshing? That's not a bad idea... And it's entirely possible now that we have local dimming.

Not sure of current LCDs refresh like this, but that would certainly help this monitor, and I bet it would be easier on the eyes than full strobing.


Still not ideal, but maybe better.
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I should clarify a few things that were brought up in the last few posts.

1. Yes, the architecture used in the Dell OLED monitor is different from the architecture used in LG's OLED TVs; the Dell monitor used Samsung's RGB OLED architecture while LG's TVs use LG's own WOLED architecture.

2. There are already LCDs that turn the backlight on and off between each refresh - this is referred to as "backlight strobing" and has existed for quite a few years now.

3. OLEDs that do an equivalent "backlight strobing" process (which would really be "black-frame insertion" due to the lack of backlight) also already exists on VR headsets (Rift, Vive, and PSVR all use this) because motion blur can induce nausea and the combination of OLED's crazy-fast pixel response and black-frame insertion gives you the best motion clarity of any tech currently being manufactured.
 
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