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[OnMSFT] Microsoft to make security changes to Windows 10, avoids Swiss court

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In 2015, the Swiss Federal Data Protection and Information Commission started an investigation of Microsoft’s Windows 10 operating system and found data protection gaps under Swiss law. Today it was announced that Switzerland’s data protection czar will not take Microsoft to court after the company agreed to adopt recommendations for improving data processing transparency for its Windows 10 operating system (via Reuters.)

The issue at heart in the situation is Windows 10’s “get going fast” option during installation, which automatically activated nearly all data transfer and access processes and sent location details, browser and search history, keyboard entries and nearby WiFi networks automatically to Microsoft. According to Reuters, the Switzerland government investigations found that “this data processing in connection with Windows 10 did not conform in every respect with the data protection legislation.”

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(A note for those wondering, the site "OnMSFT" was previously known as "WinBeta".)


On related news, Microsoft is thus planning to show a privacy screen to people that choose the express installation settings. The other initiative is related to having a web based privacy dashboard for people with a Microsoft account.

However, from what seems like it, at least going from the current screenshots, not much has changed otherwise. They do claim that the basic telemetry setting, which still can't be turned off, will collect less data, but exactly what will be collected and not collected is to be seen in the final release - they still say that they'll keep collecting information about what programs are installed, so I'm not sure if much has changed in the Basic level, apart from the news that the Enhanced setting will be gone, there will only be the "Basic" and "Full" options in the future.







More information here:

https://www.onmsft.com/news/microsoft-launches-privacy-dashboard-recommits-to-your-privacy-with-windows-10-creators-update

http://techreport.com/news/31269/upcoming-windows-10-build-offers-improved-privacy-settings
Edited by tpi2007 - 1/11/17 at 9:39am
 
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The way they describe the options is very manipulative IMO. Although, I think the whole OS is really.
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My personal and subjective opinion is that the "tons of Telemetry" requested and imposed to us from Microsoft does not help the user in almost any way. All this Telemetry does not make my computer function better, it does not resolve anything. My Event Viewer is full of errors right after a clean installation of Windows 10 Pro with just the required drivers installed, and absolutely no software yet. If I clear all the Event logs and reboot a couple of times, my Event Viewer will still have lots of errors. What is the point of all this Telemetry if it does not resolve anything?

PS: Yeah, I kind of guess what the point of it is but I'm just saying that Telemetry does not help the user. It does not make his/hers system run better.

PS_1: As a non-native English speaker, I'd like to clarify that my system always functions perfectly! This, though, is happening because I select reliable components and I am taking good care of it, OS included! It does not happen due to Telemetry. The only thing that Telemetry did to me was that it made me look for all kinds of tweaks and third party software to disable it. So, it wasted my time and caused me unnecessary stress.
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The telemetry is one thing, but changing how the control panel and other settings in Windows have worked for years and years is another. That's what's keeping me from upgrading.
Edited by Drome - 1/11/17 at 9:53am
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The telemetry gathering from 100% of the user base that they keep insisting on, even at the basic level, is and has always been statistically unneeded for them to solve Windows' problems, or any other software's for that matter.

That is one of the factors why people have so much mistrust in them currently; it's that they still pretend to the public that collecting data on the whole user base is needed to help them solve the problems any better, when what they want and it's patently clear by the decision to keep collecting a list of programs that people have installed is to be able to build profiles on people's interests for both commercial and spying purposes. I think that by now that much is clear. What they continue to do by not offering a real option to limit Windows to download security and reliability updates is a risk and a disservice to the concepts of freedom and security to everyone out there in the world who deserves and in many cases absolutely needs it. As a decades old established provider of what is in practice a product of public interest, they should know better that many people don't have in practice another choice to be protected in their daily activities, be it on a personal or on a work related level.

I won't go into politics, but let's just say that people should never take their rights for granted. A brief look at current events around the whole world, across continents should make it clear.
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The telemetry is one thing, but changing how the control panel and other settings in Windows have worked for years and years is another. That's what's keeping me from upgrading.

You can still access the Windows 7 style Control Panel, Programs and Features, etc, you just have to search for them.



For anyone who doesn't like telemetry, I recommend Spybot Anti-Beacon.
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The telemetry gathering from 100% of the user base that they keep insisting on, even at the basic level, is and has always been statistically unneeded for them to solve Windows' problems, or any other software for that matter.

It's clearly data that they sell for marketing research purposes. It would be interesting to note how much Apple, Google, Amazon and other companies actually make doing this, but yeah... I'm fairly sure much of the aggregate data is sent to sub-corps for dissemination.

Much of the old school marketing general research group testing has become obsolete... and I say this as someone who used to get regular mailings from several firms that used to pay for this.
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At the very least, basic telemetry is to make MS costs of debugging their OS cheaper since it uses everyone's install.

At the other extreme, it's used as an explicit revenue source if MS sells this data, in any way, to software companies, government agencies, etc.

There is no reason NOT to have the ability to totally turn it off or for MS to explicitly detail what is gathered.
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Why are the Swiss so entitled? Users in the U.S. have been complaining about this for a long time and the only response from Microsoft was "talk to the hand".
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Why are the Swiss so entitled? Users in the U.S. have been complaining about this for a long time and the only response from Microsoft was "talk to the hand".

It helps them not get invaded if they remain neutral. Having high privacy laws also helps to that end.
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