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Zowie, Razer, and SteelSeries all having this kind of build quality?

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Originally Posted by SmashTV View Post

Old problem. Rubber was fixed. Linked thread a year old. Not an issue anymore.

Fishing for rep?
The whole surface can peel off, I read people comments with picture. Some surfaces cannot be fixed. It look like the dots rubber part is just attached by glue anyway, it would peel off just like Deathadder dots rubber.
 
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The whole surface can peel off, I read people comments with picture. Some surfaces cannot be fixed. It look like the dots rubber part is just attached by glue anyway, it would peel off just like Deathadder dots rubber.
Actually the rival is the only one with decent glue. The damage in the picture above is because the old rubber was too soft and the rubbing from your finger caused it. Not because the glue gave up holding it.

But as said, they fixed it in the Rival 300 series.

Razer is good too.

Zowie doesn't even have side grips or rubberized surface.
 
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Originally Posted by MaTpr0F View Post

Actually the rival is the only one with decent glue. The damage in the picture above is because the old rubber was too soft and the rubbing from your finger caused it. Not because the glue gave up holding it.

But as said, they fixed it in the Rival 300 series.

Razer is good too.

Zowie doesn't even have side grips or rubberized surface.
Razer is definitely far from good. Unlimited dots rubber peel off photos of Razer mouse, just google it. It is just Physics, glue cannot hold a heavily use rubber part for long time. Almost everyone says after just months peel off happens.
Same for a lot of SteelSeries mices design with dots rubber. People even complain the surfaces of SteelSeries mice just peel off and they show photos.
Same for Zowie, the surface just peel off after months.
 
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The whole surface can peel off, I read people comments with picture. Some surfaces cannot be fixed. It look like the dots rubber part is just attached by glue anyway, it would peel off just like Deathadder dots rubber.
It isn't an issue anymore. The mouse received a better rubber material so that it didn't melt away. You could RMA at any time. That first model of Rival isn't even in production anymore afaik, further compounding that it isn't an issue at the moment.

Zowie's mass peeling issue hasn't been around on their newer mice as much as the old. You too could RMA for it if you wanted. DA's rubber can hold up. I personally find it slippery.

Products should improve. If not, vote with your wallet. Most of the issues there have been addressed. These are issues from back then and I like to live in the present.
 
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Originally Posted by SmashTV View Post

It isn't an issue anymore. The mouse received a better rubber material so that it didn't melt away. You could RMA at any time. That first model of Rival isn't even in production anymore afaik, further compounding that it isn't an issue at the moment.

Zowie's mass peeling issue hasn't been around on their newer mice as much as the old. You too could RMA for it if you wanted. DA's rubber can hold up. I personally find it slippery.

Products should improve. If not, vote with your wallet. Most of the issues there have been addressed. These are issues from back then and I like to live in the present.
As long as glue is used to stick the rubber on it, it is going to peel off in months. I don't expect I get an expensive mice then seeing something peel off after months. I have used few Logitech gaming mices in a decade never saw anything peel off.
 
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As long as glue is used to stick the rubber on it, it is going to peel off in months. I don't expect I get an expensive mice then seeing something peel off after months. I have used few Logitech gaming mices in a decade never saw anything peel off.
What is the technology used to attach rubber to abs without glue?
 
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Originally Posted by badben25 View Post

We understand that you are trying to raise attention about the topic of low quality from mouse brands. But it is already known and understood, so what is your point?

Like it has been already said, vote with your wallet.
A lot of people still don't know about it.
 
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The most important thing in a mouse is shape. Everything else is comes after that.

And obviously when there is a lot of mice being produced there will be quality variance between batches and even individual mice. Its normal.
 
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The most important thing in a mouse is shape. Everything else is comes after that.

And obviously when there is a lot of mice being produced there will be quality variance between batches and even individual mice. Its normal.
For a professional gamer, yes shape may comes first.

but I am not a professional gamer, I care if I see my mice has something peeling off more than if the shape is prefect for me. I also care if the mice is durable, brands like Razer has serious double clicking problem after just months. For professional gamer they can use a new mice every single time, I cannot.
 
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Originally Posted by espn View Post

For a professional gamer, yes shape may comes first.

but I am not a professional gamer, I care if I see my mice has something peeling off more than if the shape is prefect for me. I also care if the mice is durable, brands like Razer has serious double clicking problem after just months. For professional gamer they can use a new mice every single time, I cannot.
shape is the most important factor full stop
 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-J14fyar5ns&t=704s
The funny part is that for last number 2 and 3, he says he needs to manually fix xyz many things for Zowie mices but still give these number 2 and 3 just because of the shape, XD:D
XDXD The scroll wheel feel sucks, but it works 99% of the time without any problems. The buttons are stiff, but aren't mushy and don't have a boatload of pretravel. And I mean the 3310 still works quite well, it's not like you need to throw out the mouse because it doesn't have the latest sensor. You can't boast about these things on other mice most of the time either.
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Originally Posted by espn View Post

For a professional gamer, yes shape may comes first.

but I am not a professional gamer, I care if I see my mice has something peeling off more than if the shape is prefect for me. I also care if the mice is durable, brands like Razer has serious double clicking problem after just months. For professional gamer they can use a new mice every single time, I cannot.
Wait, so you're first saying that you don't really care about the shape, and then you turn back 180 and say that you can't use a new shape?
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Razer is definitely far from good. Unlimited dots rubber peel off photos of Razer mouse, just google it. It is just Physics, glue cannot hold a heavily use rubber part for long time.
Oh boy, the double sided adhesive gave up? Like really, who gives a flying crap? Slap on some glue or other adhesive or even RMA it if you can't be arsed to get up from your PC and do some easy diy. Or do you really want these companies to do injection molding like Logi? It just increases the manufacturing cost and is just not worth it for a company which outsources their parts. Way more financially viable to just let the users RMA the product.
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Almost everyone says after just months peel off happens.
Same for a lot of SteelSeries mices design with dots rubber. People even complain the surfaces of SteelSeries mice just peel off and they show photos.
Would the users that don't have a problem go to the internet and post that they have no problems? Vocal minority.
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Same for Zowie, the surface just peel off after months.
Zowie has changed the peeling coating in 2014 with the release of their 3310 first mice. It hasn't been a problem for 3 years.
 
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Originally Posted by Soo8 View Post

XDXD The scroll wheel feel sucks, but it works 99% of the time without any problems. The buttons are stiff, but aren't mushy and don't have a boatload of pretravel. And I mean the 3310 still works quite well, it's not like you need to throw out the mouse because it doesn't have the latest sensor. You can't boast about these things on other mice most of the time either.
Wait, so you're first saying that you don't really care about the shape, and then you turn back 180 and say that you can't use a new shape?
Oh boy, the double sided adhesive gave up? Like really, who gives a flying crap? Slap on some glue or other adhesive or even RMA it if you can't be arsed to get up from your PC and do some easy diy. Or do you really want these companies to do injection molding like Logi? It just increases the manufacturing cost and is just not worth it for a company which outsources their parts. Way more financially viable to just let the users RMA the product.
Would the users that don't have a problem go to the internet and post that they have no problems? Vocal minority.
Zowie has changed the peeling coating in 2014 with the release of their 3310 first mice. It hasn't been a problem for 3 years.
All problems I mentioned are people reported online with photos. No one care about the manufactoring cost but rma waste a lot of user time. Taiwan brand with this quality doesnt worth half of its retail price.
 
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All problems I mentioned are people reported online with photos. No one care about the manufactoring cost but rma waste a lot of user time. Taiwan brand with this quality doesnt worth half of its retail price.
You're being thick, the Rival's rubber peeling was fixed with the release of the 300, the Chroma had very few issues with the rubber, and the new Zowie coating doesn't "peel" I own many Zowie mice and I can tell you which coating will peel just from running my fingers over it, I have the old FK that peeled, the FK'14 that didn't peel, the EC2 that peeled, and the EC2-A that doesn't peel. They have entirely different feelings, have not seen a complaint about the coating peeling since they changed the coating they used in the FK'14, the only complaints about the Zowie coating now are that it sucks up oils and it's too slippery which I agree with. You're intentionally looking for reasons to not buy newer mice, don't buy newer mice then, but don't go around spreading misinformation about how these mice have "horribad QC issues" when those problems were solved between 1 to 3+ years ago.
 
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You're being thick, the Rival's rubber peeling was fixed with the release of the 300, the Chroma had very few issues with the rubber, and the new Zowie coating doesn't "peel" I own many Zowie mice and I can tell you which coating will peel just from running my fingers over it, I have the old FK that peeled, the FK'14 that didn't peel, the EC2 that peeled, and the EC2-A that doesn't peel. They have entirely different feelings, have not seen a complaint about the coating peeling since they changed the coating they used in the FK'14, the only complaints about the Zowie coating now are that it sucks up oils and it's too slippery which I agree with. You're intentionally looking for reasons to not buy newer mice, don't buy newer mice then, but don't go around spreading misinformation about how these mice have "horribad QC issues" when those problems were solved between 1 to 3+ years ago.
Just google around and see people comments with photos, all problem I mentioned are not solved. Your single person experience doesn't apply to everyone.
 
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Originally Posted by espn View Post

Just google around and see people comments with photos, all problem I mentioned are not solved. Your single person experience doesn't apply to everyone.
But the experiences of many people from this site not complaining about it is enough for me to believe that the problem is such a minority that it might as well be non-existent, these brands are so large that you will get inevitable QC issues, you are reading from the vocal minority and talking it up like it's the majority.

Don't want to deal with QC issues of newer mice? Don't buy the product, but don't go spreading misinfo around and then trying to use 1+ year old threads to back up what you say.
 
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Originally Posted by Alya View Post

But the experiences of many people from this site not complaining about it is enough for me to believe that the problem is such a minority that it might as well be non-existent, these brands are so large that you will get inevitable QC issues, you are reading from the vocal minority and talking it up like it's the majority.

Don't want to deal with QC issues of newer mice? Don't buy the product, but don't go spreading misinfo around and then trying to use 1+ year old threads to back up what you say.
This post brings up the issues, how often would that happen only the company with all the stats can tell.
 
#25 ·
In my experience Zowie, Razer, Steelseries and Roccat, Vintage-Microsoft mice all have about the same build quality. They usually had some kind of issue after 3-6 months (double click aka faulty microswitch, broken cable, broken mousewheel or broken mousewheelbutton) and looked like **** after 6-12 months (worn coating).

The only two mice I used longer where a 2010 Steelseries Xai that had great build quality when compared to later Steelseries mice I had (a Xai, several Senseis) and lasted for 17 months and the Mionix AVIOR 7000 I use since 2014 (= record for me) without real issues apart from a slightly worn coating.
I have also heard good things about Logitech but I hate their shapes.

tl;dr: IMO most mices build quality sucks. Mionix is cool though from my experience.
 
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Originally Posted by pr0g4m1ng View Post

In my experience Zowie, Razer, Steelseries and Roccat, Vintage-Microsoft mice all have about the same build quality. They usually had some kind of issue after 3-6 months (double click aka faulty microswitch, broken cable, broken mousewheel or broken mousewheelbutton) and looked like **** after 6-12 months (worn coating).

The only two mice I used longer where a 2010 Steelseries Xai that had great build quality when compared to later Steelseries mice I had (a Xai, several Senseis) and lasted for 17 months and the Mionix AVIOR 7000 I use since 2014 (= record for me) without real issues apart from a slightly worn coating.
I have also heard good things about Logitech but I hate their shapes.

tl;dr: IMO most mices build quality sucks. Mionix is cool though from my experience.
thx for sharing.
 
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