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So basically driver error caused the first fatal 'self driving' car accident. Kind of ironic really.
Anyway, this is good news for Tesla, and for everyone interested in autonomous vehicles.
Quote:Tesla will not be ordered to recall its semi-autonomous cars in the US, following a fatal crash in May 2016.
The US National Highway Traffic Safety Administration closed its investigation after it found no evidence of a defect in the vehicle.
SourceThe NHTSA report said data from the car showed that "the driver took no braking, steering or other actions to avoid the collision".
Bryan Thomas from the NHSTA said the driver should have been able to see the lorry for seven seconds, which "should have been enough time to take some action".
You don't have to deal with traffic and the fear of death in a game. I think Top Gear did a test on the real Leguna Seca vs GT5, in the game you can drive like 10 second faster per lap. That said, If you can drive well in games, some of the skills will transfer to real life. That's why some GT academy drivers went on to become real race drivers.Originally Posted by andrews2547
I'll stick with non-autonomous cars. I'm one of the best drivers there is in the world, I managed to get a sub-7 minute lap of the Nordschleife in a Honda Civic in Forza 4.
Note: The only road cars that could get a sub-7 minute lap is the Lamborghini Aventador SV and Porsche 918.
I think you might need to RMA your sarcasm detectorsOriginally Posted by awdrifter
You don't have to deal with traffic and the fear of death in a game. I think Top Gear did a test on the real Leguna Seca vs GT5, in the game you can drive like 10 second faster per lap. That said, If you can drive well in games, some of the skills will transfer to real life. That's why some GT academy drivers went on to become real race drivers.
The YouTube guy had problems with power steering and the car would go into "safe mode" when it detected something was wrong so you don't carry on driving it unless absolutely necessary (such as taking it in to get it repaired), it was a hardware problem, not a software problem. The problem the guy has in the news article is that he was speeding and not paying attention.Originally Posted by tp4tissue
I saw this post by this black kid on youtube.. He was basically saying, there were issues with his car where it would not fully respond to his commands and the steering response/ throttle would change suddenly mid drive.
I think what's happening is due to the complexity of the programming and computations behind the current drive system, there are just too many bugs that can come up at the moment..
No one can predict all failure conditions given so many lines of code..
The NHTSA report said data from the car showed that "the driver took no braking, steering or other actions to avoid the collision".
Bryan Thomas from the NHSTA said the driver should have been able to see the lorry for seven seconds, which "should have been enough time to take some action".
And this is why we need autonomous cars. Because some people actually think like this, and aren't sarcastic.Originally Posted by andrews2547
I'll stick with non-autonomous cars. I'm one of the best drivers there is in the world, I managed to get a sub-7 minute lap of the Nordschleife in a Honda Civic in Forza 4.
Note: The only road cars that could get a sub-7 minute lap is the Lamborghini Aventador SV and Porsche 918.
Over 30,000 people are killed in the US by the "menial thing" of driving. About 95% of them are caused by human error.
Don't bother. I've laid out plenty of reasons why autonomous vehicles are just another step in taking away any control we have in life and are not a good thing in the long term. But people are more than happy to trade the freedom to drive for a "safer" world.
Driving is extremely menial if you pay attention.
Uh huh. Sure. Except here's actual data:Originally Posted by SoloCamo
Don't bother. I've laid out plenty of reasons why autonomous vehicles are just another step in taking away any control we have in life and are not a good thing in the long term. But people are more than happy to trade the freedom to drive for a "safer" world.
The cars we have nowadays are so easy to drive it's really ridiculous. Go back 50 years and it was quite a bit harder, yet people somehow managed to do just fine.
I don't think all those manual car drivers had actual control when they crashed.
Maybe I didn't word it correctly but it proves my point. Cars today are ridiculously easier to drive then older vehicles and the decline in deaths is mostly due to the build of the car itself, airbags, and all the myriad of safety precautions during a crash. Those old steel boats crumple and launch an engine into the driver compared to even a modern sub compact at the same rate of speed. Autonomous vehicles just literally take control out of your hand, they do not provide some magical safety.
They had complete control until they screwed up, someone else screwed up, hit ice, or the myriad of other reasons people crash.
No, it completely DISproves your point. People didn't "do just fine."
I'm sorry, please explain why autonomous cars detract from 'freedom'.
I am a firm believer in seat belts and plenty of safety features used during the event of a crash. That comparison is ridiculous at best.
Because people like you are naive and think it will be a choice in the future. If manual control cars aren't out right banned, they will be priced (by insurance alone) out of anyone's budget to force their hand in the new society of people who trade control for the illusion of safety because you have to think of the children.Originally Posted by GingerJohn
I'm sorry, please explain why autonomous cars detract from 'freedom'.
Is it the same way that automatic transmissions, ABS, and parking sensors remove freedom? How about airbags, pre-tensioning seat belts, integral roll cages, safety glass, and a host of other improvements to the safety of vehicles?
Even ignoring the safety argument, I would love to be able to get into a car, direct it to my destination, and have a nap, read a book, make a phone call, or watch a movie. I would also love to have my car drop me off at an event, go park itself, and come pick me up when I'm ready. Or go out, have a few drinks, and be driven home safely. To me that sounds like freedom.
Yes, I realise we are a long way from what I just described, but it's coming.
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Well, after you two have scraped brain matter off a highway, pulled a person out of a windshield, or had to tell a person their kid was just killed, we can come back and see how you guys feel.Originally Posted by SoloCamo
Don't bother. I've laid out plenty of reasons why autonomous vehicles are just another step in taking away any control we have in life and are not a good thing in the long term. But people are more than happy to trade the freedom to drive for a "safer" world.
The cars we have nowadays are so easy to drive it's really ridiculous. Go back 50 years and it was quite a bit harder, yet people somehow managed to do just fine. The commercials with "lane assistance" are further proof of the problem. People literally blame everything but themselves for, what is the biggest issue, not paying attention to the road.
Driving is extremely menial if you pay attention.
There are millions of ways to die, do you really want to live your life scared of everything? That's not living.
No, it's directly applicable.
Yeah, now you pay attention. You're not alone in the road. Even if you pay attention there are other drivers making mistakes.Originally Posted by SoloCamo
The cars we have nowadays are so easy to drive it's really ridiculous. Go back 50 years and it was quite a bit harder, yet people somehow managed to do just fine. The commercials with "lane assistance" are further proof of the problem. People literally blame everything but themselves for, what is the biggest issue, not paying attention to the road.
Driving is extremely menial if you pay attention.
Appeal to emotion isn't the best way to argue a point, imo.
Emotion is their point, though. They're objecting to the technology not because of a rational reason, but because of the alleged emotional damage to their "freedom" from the technology.