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Originally Posted by peter2k View Post

biggrin.gif
you mean 3466

I mean 4466 would be quite something biggrin.gif


if you're looking for a what's better, higher bandwidth vs lower timings


you would have to bench yourself really (how to bench it using real world testing is quite another matter, but I guess you could use sisoft sandra to try out which gives higher scores for you, lower timings or higher rated speed, which would indicate what is better for you I think, but its not exactly a real world comparison)


for me I'd take the higher speed over lower timings and lower voltage

Hehe yep was a misstype, 3466mhz is the correct speed smile.gif
I will give sandra a go and check the scores there too, thnx for the tip!
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Originally Posted by SweWiking View Post

Hehe yep was a misstype, 3466mhz is the correct speed smile.gif
I will give sandra a go and check the scores there too, thnx for the tip!

With regards to speed vs timings, you would get better performance with tighter timings and lower speed, than with higher speed and loose timings.
Edited by tknight - 4/11/17 at 4:27am
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With regards to speed vs timings, you would get better performance with tighter timings and lower speed, than with higher speed and loose timings.

Not necessarily true.

In different scenarios (read, write or copy) different RAM settings will be faster. There is no golden rule. And you won't really notice much difference between 1-2 difference in timings or 1 step in speed ratio. If you want to test your ram speed, you can do it with Hyper Pi (it's a bit tweaked Super Pi, otherwise the same). And if you really want to get into memory overclocking, you have to dig really deep into RTL/IOL timings and you need to have a good understanding of how memory works. It's really time consuming and I don't see much gain out of it. It's only for the hardcore competitors.
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With regards to speed vs timings, you would get better performance with tighter timings and lower speed, than with higher speed and loose timings.

Edited by dirtyred - 4/11/17 at 5:24am
    
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Not necessarily true.

In different scenarios (read, write or copy) different RAM settings will be faster. There is no golden rule. And you won't really notice much difference between 1-2 difference in timings or 1 step in speed ratio. If you want to test your ram speed, you can do it with Hyper Pi (it's a bit tweaked Super Pi, otherwise the same). And if you really want to get into memory overclocking, you have to dig really deep into RTL/IOL timings and you need to have a good understanding of how memory works. It's really time consuming and I don't see much gain out of it. It's only for the hardcore competitors.


Well in order to overclock memory properly, you do have to have a good understanding of all the timings including, primary, secondary, tertiary, RTL/IOLS, as well other settings such as IO Latency Offset or RFR Delay for example , in order to achieve the best performance from your memory.

Making changes to only the primary timings, will not result in the best performance if the other timings are not adjusted accordingly, as it can result in a decrease in performance instead.

Therefore if all the timings are properly tightened and adjusted at a certain speed, then it will outperform a higher speed with looser timings.
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Well in order to overclock memory properly, you do have to have a good understanding of all the timings including, primary, secondary, tertiary, RTL/IOLS, as well other settings such as IO Latency Offset or RFR Delay for example , in order to achieve the best performance from your memory.

Making changes to only the primary timings, will not result in the best performance if the other timings are not adjusted accordingly, as it can result in a decrease in performance instead.

Therefore if all the timings are properly tightened and adjusted at a certain speed, then it will outperform a higher speed with looser timings.

Exactly. But 1 step of frequency ratio or timings usually don't result in much speed gain. It's measurable with benchmarks but in real world I don't think anyone would notice the difference. Maybe in really long workloads for example 1 hour of 3D rendering you might notice a 2-3 minute gain. That's about 3-5% improvement. Combine that with CPU overclock and you can gain 7-10% or more. But for gaming however that doesn't really translates as many are GPU bottlenecked most of the times and you'd gain maybe only a couple of FPS's.
    
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Here they are....
M8I.zip 3674k .zip file

And here is a screen of the system



Even more strange, now with the new bios, manual voltage acts as adaptive...whatever I set into bios (and I went down to 1.325...) it boots in windows and sees that voltage but as soon as I put load on it it jumps up to 1.408)
Also you can see in the screen that Aida readings are all over the place, not really accurate after this last bios update..

You think using Adaptive is it safe to up the CPU to 1.43 -145 ? Assuming the temps are under 80...and I can boot / bench the mem up to 4133 ...is it safe to boost the voltage on it to 1.45 for daily use ? (I think I heard it a million times before but just double checking )
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The auto setting as in memory timings? Because I already set them manually to 15/15/36

I have never been able to boot my memory higher than 3600 under any settings, not even manual timings specified by XMP profile.

I suspect my 7600k isnt the best out there as I require close to 1.4v to even get 5GHz stable. :-(

Edit: For the first time i managed to boot with XMP 3866 profile, got into windows and did some aida64 benchmarks, then rebooted, and no post.
Trying again for 10 times no post... I wonder why my board has such issues posting on 3866+.

Perhaps i should mess with bootup voltages.
I'm referring to the auto settings for vccio and vsa when you increase ram freq to 3600, or use XMP. control these manually. fFor 3866 it's likely not the board.... set VSa (VCCSA) to 1.35V for 3866, vccio to 1.2V.
Ram can be tricky on any platform... it takes a bit of time to get things right. Be sure to correctly test any ram PC you intend to use as a 24/7. Unlike a bad cpu oc, which just crashes, bad ram can completely corrupt an OS install. Make a system image before getting too far into this.
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With regards to speed vs timings, you would get better performance with tighter timings and lower speed, than with higher speed and loose timings.
this is a tough question and really depends on what measure one uses. Sometimes a lower freq with very tight timings can be unexpectedly efficient. But overall, you are correct. thumb.gif
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Here they are....
M8I.zip 3674k .zip file

And here is a screen of the system



Even more strange, now with the new bios, manual voltage acts as adaptive...whatever I set into bios (and I went down to 1.325...) it boots in windows and sees that voltage but as soon as I put load on it it jumps up to 1.408)
Also you can see in the screen that Aida readings are all over the place, not really accurate after this last bios update..

You think using Adaptive is it safe to up the CPU to 1.43 -145 ? Assuming the temps are under 80...and I can boot / bench the mem up to 4133 ...is it safe to boost the voltage on it to 1.45 for daily use ? (I think I heard it a million times before but just double checking )
1.45V daily is at the edge.. and we really do not have a lot of history with KBL yet. I run my 2 core KBL at 1.45V adaptive, but would be a bit reluctant to run my 7700K at the same unless I had temps below 70c (and watch the package temp). Temp tolerance is a personal thing. smile.gif

thanks for the screenshots... will look at them shortly.
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Thank for doing so, just played a bit with llc...

Cpu set to 1,325 manual in bios....llc 2 to 7 all give same result..1.328 in OS idle and 1.360 under load ( followed by a crash biggrin.gif ) these chip really need 1.385 for 5.1 core / 5 uncore @ 3733
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Thank for doing so, just played a bit with llc...

Cpu set to 1,325 manual in bios....llc 2 to 7 all give same result..1.328 in OS idle and 1.360 under load ( followed by a crash biggrin.gif ) these chip really need 1.385 for 5.1 core / 5 uncore @ 3733
okay - going back to your original post
you want to get dynamic voltage and clocks... here;s how to do it and a few other tweaks:

bclk : dram ratio -> Auto
CPu/Cache current limit -> 255.5
Set voltgae mode to Adaptive
Put the 1.39V from your screenies in the "Additional Turbo Voltage" field
PCH core -> 1.05 to 1.08V
Speedstep -> Enabled
VRM Spreadspectrum -> disabled
CPU LLC -> 5 or 6
CPU Current -> 130%
CPU Power Phase -> optimized or extreme (power phase shedding)
Dram Current -> 120%
Speedstep and Speedshift -> Enabled
MRC Fast Boot -> Auto (once trained only a cold boot retrains the ram)

Main thing to get the voltage and frequency to work together is use Adaptive (or offset) and Enable Speedstep.
and for starters lower the ccahe multiplier to like 48 until you know the core is working right.
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There is any chance that intel take a cpu with problem on booting on xmp settnigs? On gskill 3600cl16 need to clear cmos after night and turn on the xmp to work with even no oc of the cpu. It is also a potato with 1.312 stock vid...
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