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Super glue is actually pretty weak against lateral forces. So if you put the dot on the right side where your delidder provides a shearing force on it, it should pop off pretty easily. I'm not saying you're wrong, but Rockit Cool does specifically mention that they have found this method works well even for taking off the IHS again.

The super glue bonds with the pcb and when you try shearing it off as you put it, it will take parts of the pcb with it and destroy your chip.
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Originally Posted by peter2k View Post

I think the amount of people running Kaby lake and skylake without a IHS could be counted on 1 hand, maybe 2
you can order a delid from some shops
they will glue it back together as well Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
and still see a temp drop of ~20 degrees


how do you mount any cooler and account for the missing IHS?
they don't make contact

for ivy bridge EK offered a custom mounting option for running without a IHS (that shouldn't fit either any more as the substrate and IHS since then have all a different thickness


I have found only one review of running without a IHS compared to a relid

3 degrees difference
and a whole lot of trouble of mounting and making it work


problem with the original TIM is not just that it is not as good

the space between DIE and IHS is too big

usually you want TIM to fill out the smallest imperfections between 2 surfaces

but since Intel stopped using solder the 2 surfaces don't actually meet and heat is transferred only through the TIM

conventional thinking would suggest running bare would be best temp wise

but liquid metal has so great heat transfer capabilities that it's like when Intel used solder


people were also delidding soldered chips back in the day and saw a reduction in temps in the low single digits (3-5 degrees)

just putting liquid metal as a replacement TIM under the IHS is quite good enough
especially considering that thanks to delidding tools these days less handy people can do it too (means higher chance for chipped DIE's like in the days before IHS on CPUs
)


edit:
added a link to the review, bare DIE vs delid-relid

https://m.hardocp.com/article/2017/02/07/7600k_naked_die_cooling_temperature_followup/

the question is whether jackcy is running bare-to-die. If not, it's just bloviating.
Edited by Jpmboy - 4/12/17 at 3:14pm
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After deliding my cpu, i just put the cpu back in the socket and placed the IHS on top of it, and locked it in place. There is no gain as far as i know to use any type of glue/silicon to put the IHS back on. The socket "lock" is enuff to keep it in place.
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After deliding my cpu, i just put the cpu back in the socket and placed the IHS on top of it, and locked it in place. There is no gain as far as i know to use any type of glue/silicon to put the IHS back on. The socket "lock" is enuff to keep it in place.
until you take the chip out and the ihs slides around changing the thin layer that formed...and you need to do the whole process over again.. I did 4 super glue dots as rockit suggested. Acetone can be used to help remove super gluen. Another method would be using a razor between the glue and side of the IHS. No glue is under my ihs. I don't anticipate ever needing to redo the delid from the feedback SL has shared.
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until you take the chip out and the ihs slides around changing the thin layer that formed...and you need to do the whole process over again.. I did 4 super glue dots as rockit suggested. Acetone can be used to help remove super gluen. Another method would be using a razor between the glue and side of the IHS. No glue is under my ihs. I don't anticipate ever needing to redo the delid from the feedback SL has shared.

For me, i find it easier to clean LM under the IHS then cleaning non LM compaund on top of it ...( and you have to because you take out your cpu).
Downside that :you'll have to clean under and on top of IHS and takes a bit longer time, but , considering the time that you will need to re-dellid it again after you put glue there, i think it takes longer ... well idkn i guess it depends, some use those delliding tools wich makes it faster , i use razor method and thinking that with sglue razor method would take long time to undo the sglue there and clean it.
I guess there are diff types of sglue out there... i bought one from homedepot to glue my child's Lego pieces so they wont fall appart when he throws that lego toys arround , And after seeing how this sglue literally melts that plastic pieces together.... makes me think of using it on cpu or not smile.gif
But, yeah, its just my opinion...

On that picture he showed , its a such a perfect aplication of sglue , considering that the glue is not dense at all , its almost as water, i guess its verry hard to apply it with no spills arround
Edited by MaKeN - 4/12/17 at 4:03pm
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On that picture he showed , its a such a perfect aplication of sglue , considering that the glue is not dense at all , its almost as water, i guess its verry hard to apply it with no spills arround

There's a gel type of super glue that's not watery/runny.
 
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There's a gel type of super glue that's not watery/runny.
good info! I didnt know/use that type of sglue...

And that explains why it would look that perfect smile.gif

But anyway, idkn if it is like real sglue, but its a glue right? Its not a silicone ... as i know , the difference between silicone and glue, is that they got really big diff in flexibility/softness and temp resistance ...
Idkn why intell used silicon type of adhesive there instead of sglue or welding , but i gues from all,the easier way to remove /dellid is the silicon one...
Personally i would prefer ( if i would be up to do it) the one that would be removed fast and easy....
Edited by MaKeN - 4/12/17 at 6:16pm
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until you take the chip out and the ihs slides around changing the thin layer that formed...and you need to do the whole process over again.. I did 4 super glue dots as rockit suggested. Acetone can be used to help remove super gluen. Another method would be using a razor between the glue and side of the IHS. No glue is under my ihs. I don't anticipate ever needing to redo the delid from the feedback SL has shared.

Im pretty sure there is no reason to remove the cpu from the motherboad ever. Well if the cpu dies then i have to replace it, but then it doesnt matter, And its very unlikely i would upgrade from Asus ix hero to any other motherboard, as my cpu does 5.2ghz on this board.

For me im way more happy with not using superglue on my cpu.
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Reporting in... Turbo V in bios 1.376 with adaptive + llc 6 = Stable RB 2.43 with v under load 1.392 ( 109w Cpu and 112w Cpu package)....temps 76-76-73-73.
It seems I have a really mediocre chip....I hit Trump wall at 5.1, tried even 1.440 in bios for 5.2 and BSOD at 15-20 mins into RB (temps in the 80 ssh)
Cache is at 48, everything else on default/auto.
Is there anything I could bump to help with 5.2, 5.3 ?
Maybe if I apply more V to PCH ? idk...
Still working on lowering volts...will try to lower to 1.375....1.374 and see what happens.
Freq and Volts are going up and down correctly now ( 800 - 5.100.....0.600 - 1.392)
Found it interesting that if I go with 1.387 + llc 5 in bios I get same result as 1.376 + llc 6 but a bit more W on the Cpu/Cpu package and more heat...

Next on my list are, lower volts, than cache....if I can get away with 5.1 core / 5.1 uncore will suffice. biggrin.gif
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hey all! can anybody shed why i can't reach 5Ghz on my CPU now that I've changed boards? i was using a Maximus IX Code that i recently sold for reasons, and now am using Maximus IX Hero. Voltages were 1.32v idle on the Code, and now this 1.4124 @ 5Ghz idle with the hero....way too high and locks up and isn't stable.

Can anyone shed some light? or a method on how to reach that magical 5Ghz on this board is possible?

Cheers!
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