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Quote:
Originally Posted by D13mass View Post

Unfortunately my MB without "Cpu Loadline Calibration Control" settings
But for "Adaptive" I have variation of voltage between 1.30-1.38 V even if I setup in bios as 1.33V.
For "Override" I don`t see variation like this.


I've been trying to find out what's the problem from the last few posts from you

you don't necessarily need LLC

if you're voltage swings up and down between load and idle you try to set voltage in the bios that gives the best spot on voltage under load

if it's a bit high on idle it really does not matter


I think you said you reach kind off high temps at the clocks you're trying for


I have not seen you mention if the 7700k is delidded, but judging from temps, clocks and voltage it isn't?
also you don't specify which cooling solution you have

some normal air cooler for like 30€
a high end air cooler
AiO
custom loop

70ish to 80ish degrees could be completely normal

some of those chips run hotter than others
could be simply because Intel choose to put even more glue under the IHS
you know variances/tolerances in manufacturing

that's why some people see a temp drop of 15 degrees, others of 25

kaby lake OC is all voltage, temps and luck

you run into temp problems without a delid in many cases




look if you don't have a setting like LLC you can just enter a value that gives the voltage you're looking for under load

this would be a lot of trying out, but still ok

if you're concerned about temps and the voltage
well there is nothing you can do except a delid

if it's that voltage you need to be stable, then that's the voltage you need
there is no secondary voltage you could drop to decrease temps but doesn't affect you're overclock


messing with PLL voltage is just messing with the temp sensor

and while yes leaving it manually at the stock voltage (I think for you're board it's 1.1) is the right thing to do and might reduce temps
that comes from the fact the temp reading gets messed up with higher settings (more temp) and lower settings (less temps), and one user even broke the temp sensor on 1 core (by I think too high a value)
but its a readout error and not actually adding or reducing anything for real
and even if it would, not in any way that would make you comfortable


we had a long discussion about it here like 5 pages long


for clocks beneath 5.3 Ghz it's all vcore (messed up readouts from PLL aside, but at 4.8 they can't be that much different than standard value)




long story short

if you know the voltage you need to be stable then that's the voltage you need

temps are too high?

better cooling solution

better thermal paste, maybe

you sure you're cooler sits well on the CPU?

a delid drops temps in big numbers

you could try slightly less voltage, obviously this needs to be tested out stability wise
LLC is just making it more precise on what value you want
but overshooting or under by a little doesn't give you temps different like 10 degrees or more
we're talking a difference between 1.375v and 1.38-1.385vthat's not a huge difference in temps

and if you want to have 1.375 v under load
but you get 1.39 under load
then enter a value of 1.37 and see where it sits under load
as an example

but I can't imagine voltage swings by huge margins under load
like at load it swings from 1.35 to 1.39 while running prime at max load (example)

lastly
if it's high in stress testing, but lower in gaming that's ok as well

thermal throttling or even a shutdown doesn't happen until way higher temps
Quote:
Originally Posted by patman-dk View Post

what is stock pll oc voltage? i think I have auto on my asus mb frown.gif

doesn't really matter until you go beyond 5.2 and way above really
if HWInfo readout is accurate it sits at the lowest value described in the bios on auto (err I think it read 0.55 something, I remember that value to be the lowest described in bios and HWInfo said it's that value)

for me at least

I think it cranks up noticeably from 5.3 and onwards if left on auto
but its not the only voltage that does so
just going from 5.2 to 5.3 increased my idle temps from 35 to 75 degrees

there was I think 4 different voltages I had to apply manually that applied too much voltage
like CPU standby voltage and others you normally don't touch
Quote:
Originally Posted by dmo580 View Post

Oh BTw, what do you guys use to monitor system stats including CPU temps and other stuff--is there something similar to Motherboard Monitor from back in the day?

first post under pre overclocking information
Quote:
The recommended utility for looking at your stats is HWInfo

Edited by peter2k - 4/16/17 at 3:39am
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Originally Posted by D13mass View Post

Unfortunately my MB without "Cpu Loadline Calibration Control" settings
But for "Adaptive" I have variation of voltage between 1.30-1.38 V even if I setup in bios as 1.33V.
For "Override" I don`t see variation like this.

Oh, that's not acceptable for 180$ board.. rolleyes.gifrolleyes.gif
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Originally Posted by peter2k View Post

I've been trying to find out what's the problem from the last few posts from you

you don't necessarily need LLC

if you're voltage swings up and down between load and idle you try to set voltage in the bios that gives the best spot on voltage under load

if it's a bit high on idle it really does not matter


I think you said you reach kind off high temps at the clocks you're trying for


I have not seen you mention if the 7700k is delidded, but judging from temps, clocks and voltage it isn't?
also you don't specify which cooling solution you have

some normal air cooler for like 30€
a high end air cooler
AiO
custom loop

70ish to 80ish degrees could be completely normal

some of those chips run hotter than others
could be simply because Intel choose to put even more glue under the IHS
you know variances/tolerances in manufacturing

that's why some people see a temp drop of 15 degrees, others of 25

kaby lake OC is all voltage, temps and luck

you run into temp problems without a delid in many cases




look if you don't have a setting like LLC you can just enter a value that gives the voltage you're looking for under load

this would be a lot of trying out, but still ok

if you're concerned about temps and the voltage
well there is nothing you can do except a delid

if it's that voltage you need to be stable, then that's the voltage you need
there is no secondary voltage you could drop to decrease temps but doesn't affect you're overclock


messing with PLL voltage is just messing with the temp sensor

and while yes leaving it manually at the stock voltage (I think for you're board it's 1.1) is the right thing to do and might reduce temps
that comes from the fact the temp reading gets messed up with higher settings (more temp) and lower settings (less temps), and one user even broke the temp sensor on 1 core (by I think too high a value)
but its a readout error and not actually adding or reducing anything for real
and even if it would, not in any way that would make you comfortable


we had a long discussion about it here like 5 pages long


for clocks beneath 5.3 Ghz it's all vcore (messed up readouts from PLL aside, but at 4.8 they can't be that much different than standard value)




long story short

if you know the voltage you need to be stable then that's the voltage you need

temps are too high?

better cooling solution

better thermal paste, maybe

you sure you're cooler sits well on the CPU?

a delid drops temps in big numbers

you could try slightly less voltage, obviously this needs to be tested out stability wise
LLC is just making it more precise on what value you want
but overshooting or under by a little doesn't give you temps different like 10 degrees or more
we're talking a difference between 1.375v and 1.38-1.385vthat's not a huge difference in temps

and if you want to have 1.375 v under load
but you get 1.39 under load
then enter a value of 1.37 and see where it sits under load
as an example

but I can't imagine voltage swings by huge margins under load
like at load it swings from 1.35 to 1.39 while running prime at max load (example)

lastly
if it's high in stress testing, but lower in gaming that's ok as well

thermal throttling or even a shutdown doesn't happen until way higher temps
doesn't really matter until you go beyond 5.2 and way above really
if HWInfo readout is accurate it sits at the lowest value described in the bios on auto (err I think it read 0.55 something, I remember that value to be the lowest described in bios and HWInfo said it's that value)

for me at least

I think it cranks up noticeably from 5.3 and onwards if left on auto
but its not the only voltage that does so
just going from 5.2 to 5.3 increased my idle temps from 35 to 75 degrees

there was I think 4 different voltages I had to apply manually that applied too much voltage
like CPU standby voltage and others you normally don't touch
first post under pre overclocking information

Ok, my reply in sequence:
1. Yes I use this cpu 'out of the box' without delidded (on my previous 6700K I did it, but for 7700k I`m thinking about it but don`t see strong reason now) and thermal paste I use "Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut Thermal "
2. My cooling system now - water custom loop (240mm radiator), I`m going to install 2*420mm but when I get EK water block for my 1080ti.
3. Now I setup 1.35V for 4800Mhz and Auto or Overriden mode, because Adaptive works wrong (enstead of 1.35V will be between 1.30 - 1.38V)
4. Any lower voltage don`t work for 4800MHz (I checked), so now I`m stuck with 4800 and 1.35V and 75 Celcium degrees after 30min test in Intel Extreme Tuning Utility , by the way under load voltage will be 1.30V but for successfull pass test I have to setup 1.35V in bios.
5. And I use HWInfo too
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Originally Posted by Mr-Dark View Post

Oh, that's not acceptable for 180$ board.. rolleyes.gifrolleyes.gif
I know, maybe I need to sell this MB and buy new one for Z270 chipset, which can provide me more stable voltage for cpu.
Edited by D13mass - 4/16/17 at 4:25am
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Originally Posted by D13mass View Post


I was in same situation as you and tough adaptive was not working..
I use to set V in Bios and in OS they were jumping all over the place...
Now after some changes it works Perfect!
Go couple of pages back and see what Jpmboy suggested me to do...if you don't find it or still need help post and I will try and re-type it here for you. (at work atm)
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Originally Posted by becks View Post

I was in same situation as you and tough adaptive was not working..
I use to set V in Bios and in OS they were jumping all over the place...
Now after some changes it works Perfect!
Go couple of pages back and see what Jpmboy suggested me to do...if you don't find it or still need help post and I will try and re-type it here for you. (at work atm)
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I`m on my way ...
post #1906 of 2734
Quote:
Originally Posted by D13mass View Post

well it would be great to get voltage stabilised, but even when you're spot on my guess would be it's not in a temp region you're looking for


going by these statistics, not only for kaby lake but also ivy and skylake

http://www.overclock.net/t/1313179/official-delidded-club-guide

as well as that nearly everyone here in the list did a delid
well it's nothing else left

you're already on a custom loop
you're not new to building a PC, and you use a good paste
and you even did a delid yourself once

I don't know what to tell you otherwise, I saw temps drop by 20 degrees myself, before and after at 5.1 Ghz
from 88 to 68 on an mid range air cooler
with more voltage (1.375v), a way weaker cooler and more frequency
and with an AiO I put 100 Mhz on top and dropped temps again

the delid is the only thing left to reduce temps
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Originally Posted by becks View Post

I was in same situation as you and tough adaptive was not working..
I use to set V in Bios and in OS they were jumping all over the place...
Now after some changes it works Perfect!
Go couple of pages back and see what Jpmboy suggested me to do...if you don't find it or still need help post and I will try and re-type it here for you. (at work atm)

well it would be great to get voltage stable

however I don't think that temps will drop into any region that would be satisfying without a delid
it's already a custom loop

without it he would probably see temps that are at least 80ish, maybe even approaching 90
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Originally Posted by becks View Post

I was in same situation as you and tough adaptive was not working..
I use to set V in Bios and in OS they were jumping all over the place...
Now after some changes it works Perfect!
Go couple of pages back and see what Jpmboy suggested me to do...if you don't find it or still need help post and I will try and re-type it here for you. (at work atm)
Ok, I found here is two your posts http://www.overclock.net/t/1621347/kaby-lake-overclocking-guide-with-statistics/1810#post_26007099
And here is reply from Jpmboy http://www.overclock.net/t/1621347/kaby-lake-overclocking-guide-with-statistics/1820#post_26007483
Or I missed something ?
post #1908 of 2734

Yes...Also, try the settings posted here : http://www.overclock.net/t/1621347/kaby-lake-overclocking-guide-with-statistics/1870#post_26017093

if you see terminology or terms that you don't find in your bios try to google them and see what they do maybe they are under different name on your board, I highly doubt they were removed entirely....but rather named different.
If its stable that way and works good work from there and lower volts till you are no more stable than raise them back 2 steps ( every step should be 0.05 v).



And now..a question for everyone, or @Jpmboy (I know he has/had a m8i )
I pass every stress test....no whea errors....but when I leave hci running...if I am at the pc and every now and then move the mouse it passes 400% and over with 0 error...If I leave it unattended the screen turns off and it gets stuck there...and nothing works to wake it up...and I have to turn off the psu and start it again.
Cor V or DRAM need to be raised or ? there is no other problem ....boots fast (even cold boot) as I said no errors in any other stress program... just strange.rolleyes.gif

Currently at 1.345 adaptive....1.390 Dram 1.18 vccio 1.2 sa 1.125 pch ( playing with these 3 does not help )


EDIT: Found out that from my power plan my hdd was turning off after 20 min...turned that off, raised the core v to 1.346 and left it running again, will report later when I get back at PC.
Edited by becks - 4/16/17 at 8:13am
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Hello everybody. I am new to the forum and kind of new to overclocking considered last time I did that was on my Core2Duo E7300. Recently I purchased a new high-end PC and I am interested in overclocking it. There are 170+ pages regarding this as far as I can see, but it is extremely hard to put all of that information for my particular case. So I was wondering if someone would be kind enough to spend their time guiding me into OC.

My PC components are:
CPU: i7-7700k
Mobo: Asus Z270G
Cooling: Nzxt Kraken X62
RAM: 2x8 Corsair Vengeance LPX 2400mhz
GPU: Asus GF GTX 1080Ti FE
PSU: 750 Seasonic Gold

I don't plan on deliding the cpu and I would like to get at best a fully stable and lasting overclock at 5ghz. But like I said I do not know the steps for this to happen. Long time ago, there was more than just setting multiplier and a frequency, but matching the fsb to the memory speed and other stuff like that which I have forgotten.

Thank you in advance!
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Would anyone be able to help troubleshooting the temps for my CPU, whether I've got the overclock configured correctly or if it might be an issue with the cooling?

I've delidded my 7700k and placed CLU under the IHS. I'm using Arctic Silver 5 under my water block. I've got 480 worth of rad (2x240) for my CPU and GPU. I'm running at 5GHz @ 1.33 adaptive voltage. I'm using the 3200 XMP profile for my RAM. I set IA AC Load Line and IA DC Load Line to 0.01. Everything else is set to Auto.

When running RealBench I get up to mid to high 80s in temps, and when gaming I've even seen it peak at 90C very infrequently. I tried reapplying the CLU which looked like it was a bit clumpy after I re-removed the IHS and it also seemed a bit light, so next time I applied a little more and this time it came out more liquid. First time I had used some RTV to glue the IHS down but this time it's just held in place by the motherboard bracket. Obviously I replaced the AS5 while doing this as well. Temps are basically the same as the first time. Just to prove that I didn't completely screw up my loop, my GPU maxes out around 45-50-ish (I don't keep much of an eye on it honestly, since it stays so cool) when under load. I also just quickly tried backing down to 4.9GHz 1.28v and the temps barely changed either.

Before delidding I couldn't even last 30 seconds stress testing the CPU at 5GHz 1.3v because it would thermal throttle at 100C almost immediately, so there definitely was an improvement from the delid. I've even managed to get a possibly stable 5.1GHz 1.35v but really didn't like the temps since they got a little over 90C in stress testing.

Some SS of bios and stress test with HWMonitor running:




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